looking for stud/bloodline w/tons of hunt

[Dr. Chris]

Joe Lane came by here Monday for some Running and to pick up his pup. We ran for about 3 or 4 hrs on snow and the temp. was about 15. and if your thinking about breeding to LaneLine Lone Ranger your on the right track. He just turned 2 and he can put on a show he has extreme hunt, great jump dog, can handle a rough track and walk it out if thats what it takes, has a big mouth and used it right and he's not to hard on the eyes. this is the 2nd time i got to run with him. He will hold his own with ANY dog you put him on the ground with.

Mr. Ooten, I absolutely love that ranger dog! A friend and I went to visit and run with Jim and we took Ranger, Dingus, his Donna female and two others. I liked them all, I was not used to that kind of hunt, by a whole pack in general. Usually you go and one or two dogs stand out, but not all of them. That particular day Dingus really took it to everything there. We jumped maybe 6 or 7 rabbits and if I recall, Dingus jumped all but 1, at least that’s what stands out to me. They all had crazy insane amount of hunt but Dingus seemed to know exactly where to go. Jim said others may look busier, but they don’t hunt harder. Some dogs just hunt “smarter”, but they were all aggressive. I personally liked Dingus better, he simply accomplished more, other dogs covered more area but he was “deeper under the brush” and he retrieved his rabbits…lol… but Jim said he didn’t do that until he hunted him with Ozzie, he claims Ozzie taught it to him. But Jim did say, “give that dog “Ranger” a couple of years and Dingus will take the back seat”, but then he said neither will be as good as when each other’s pups are bred together.

That’s what I like about these guys, they know the dogs in the last 2, 3, and 4 generations of the dogs that they are breeding together, along with the littermates, uncles, aunts… etc… They wake up with a clear plan, they never wing it. And they call a cull… a cull, and they rip up the papers and give it away…. Unless Jim is in a bad mood and the dog does something real bad…

Now Jim said he combined the Yellow Creek with the Dingus/Indian Hills for more brains/nose and patience. But he also said he bred Ozzie {which is 1/2 Gay Baker} to Roxie “Dingus/Indian Hill” for the exact same reason. Next he said “I’m taking those pups back to my baseline “pure Dingus”, and then those pups will be bred together. With the way your female is bred, I would think Dingus would be a good cross on her since she is showing the Dingus and Dingus/Gay, her being combined with Lane’s Dingus/Yellow Creek should mix well and be barn burners.

[S.R.Patch]

Yeah, it's amazing how A.D.Holcombe writings and Jim's thinking are so much alike,...why, you'd think they was the same person...

Copywright laws stink.

[Dr. Chris]

Yeah, it's amazing how A.D.Holcombe writings and Jim's thinking are so much alike,...why, you'd think they was the same person...

Copywright laws stink.

Yea, I have borrowed a few of A.D. Holcombe books from Jim along with several other books. He has a collection like none other concerning hounds in general. But I do believe he is more engrossed with the actual writings of the actual writers that provided the “material” of the books, not the spell checkers, re-writers and the people that put the book together.

You read the books? Or do you care to expand on your comments? Do you not like A.D. Holcombe, or do you not like Jim? I am not sure some of us know which direction your “slam” was intended, or why? It went from talking about hard hunting dogs to the comments you made that had nothing to do with the subject at hand.

[deerhost]

I think to be a good hunting dog all you have to do is jump a rabbit and circle it to the gun no matter how rough or how much extra mouth or how wide the checks are worked and with little pressure. To win and place at most trials you need to do it all clean, close with out too much slashing or over running no extra mouth and with the pressure of a pack of hounds on your tail. I mostly hunt but attend some SPO trials in my area and thats what I've seen and is my honest opinion being on both sides of the fence. It's amazing how someone can make a blanket statment about a whole group, ie; all registered dogs, trialers and or hunters.....Just my opinion...DH

[Lance]

Have any dogs bred by the Lanes ever competition hunted in any of the formats and been successful? I know he's been breeding dogs for a while now. Does anyone know if any of their stuff is in KY? I'd like to see some go...

[gfedor]

Thanks guys. I might be giving gary slick a call. He is 2hrs from my house. I would love to srr laneline kennels but he is 8hrs away I

[hookset]

Have any dogs bred by the Lanes ever competition hunted in any of the formats and been successful? I know he's been breeding dogs for a while now. Does anyone know if any of their stuff is in KY? I'd like to see some go...

Their dogs are bred Progressive Pack style. I know a few that enter them in PP, but don't know how they do.

[mn_beagleboy]

If you live not too far from hunt-em-up kennel, Mike has some very good dogs. My dog greenbay hunt-em-up max was bred by Mike. Max is excellent on snow and he just got his fc title. If you look for nose and hunt and in that region, You won't go wrong with hunt-em-up kennel.

[JHALL]

lathis brushhog north ohio he has it all

[New York Hillbilly]

Just to chime in on what others have pointed out, because it has been my similar experience with these lines:
I had a bitch that was Buckshot Mr. Bill bred hound and she was lacking on search but had a snow nose in a half and would lock on and never lose it and run it to the hole or gun. She was excellent on hare or cottontail. Was a terrible mother, had one litter of healthy pups and started eating each one right in front of my eyes until I took them away from her. For a hare hound tough to beat her.

I had a grand daughter out of Ninja and she had good search, endless bottom, but would from time to time lock on a deer and run it to death. She was medium speed and was very tight with her mouth, almost to tight. Also good on hare or cottontail. A fantastic mother and raised two big litters, took in the pup eaters pups, and never lost one. A tough little hound.

Finally, the hardest hunt I have ever seen in a line of hounds is Paul Webb's Rising Sun hounds. These hounds were only average on hare in deep snow. But, on a few inches of snow or on bare ground would tear themselves bloody searching, and would lock on like they were possessed with a burning hatred for rabbits. They were smart, loyal, jealous of each other for their owners attention and as soon as they jumped one they would run themselves to their own death on a rabbit or hare. No exaggeration! Not before or since have I seen hounds with such search, hunt or jump ability and were fast, fast, fast, on the line. The only down side I ever saw was, one or two were mouthy in the check area, might tear the rabbit up from time to time if they got it first, and my best and favorite bitch was an escape artist, fence climber who would climb out right in front of your eyes to go hunt and not come back for days if you did not catch her. More than once I sat in the fields behind my house and honked my truck horn at night days later only to have her show up with her nose wore bare and bleeding, tail bloody, and eyes swollen shut with the hair all wore off. Those times she could not see to get back and would follow my truck horn back to me. One of my Rising Sun males, on a real hot summer day at the beagle club I used to belong to, was running with another members BIG (excellent, fast hound)male for hours at break neck speed, and right in front of our eyes ran the other male so hard it tipped over from exhaustion. We had to put the male in a pool of water to cool it down as my male dodged me on the line and kept pounding. You don't hear anything about Paul or his hounds but if you want grit, search and jump ability you might want to consider the line. They go back to the old Yellow Creek line if memory serves me right.
NYH

[Dr. Chris]

I think to be a good hunting dog all you have to do is jump a rabbit and circle it to the gun no matter how rough or how much extra mouth or how wide the checks are worked and with little pressure. To win and place at most trials you need to do it all clean, close with out too much slashing or over running no extra mouth and with the pressure of a pack of hounds on your tail. I mostly hunt but attend some SPO trials in my area and thats what I've seen and is my honest opinion being on both sides of the fence. It's amazing how someone can make a blanket statment about a whole group, ie; all registered dogs, trialers and or hunters.....Just my opinion...DH

I didn’t mean to imply a “blanket statement”, but you have to understand, for every person that trials “seriously” there must be more than 150 people that gun hunt “seriously”. Many people box themselves in the very “small” world of field trialing and the dogs that are advertised in the circuit. But there are a lot of great kennels, breeders and dogs out there that don’t need the stamp of approval of a field trial champion certificate.

At one time “not long ago” outside the circle of field trialers, if you were to admit that you even owned a “registered beagle”, it was automatically assumed that it was no good for gun hunting. Years ago, beagle field trials were gun hunters coming together to evaluate who had the best dog with “gun dog” characteristics as close as to perfection as possible. But the rules to what it took to win a trial changed and it got further and further away from “true gundog” characteristics. Field trialing and the dogs within it have taken on an identity and life of its own, a very profitable one at that. Things have and are changing in the last few years, but don’t think for a minute that because some people don’t participate in field trials that their dogs are not superior to a person that does participate. If you believe that you’re just being naive.

Just like you have “different trialers” with different expectations, and you have different trial formats and organizations with different levels of credibility, you also have gun hunters by the thousands that have different expectations according to how serious they are about hunting. Many do have “scab beagles” that they hunt with, but many are very serious and would plant a dog like you’re talking about in the ground. But whenever you have a system that has “certificates of championship” given to hounds that could be gun-shy, not willing to jump a rabbit nor have the ability to circle a rabbit solo “smoothly”, the rules need to be changed and the credibility of field trial champions being superior “gun dogs” will always be in question. Not that many would fall into this category but it should not even be a possibility to do so if the perfection of “gun dog” characteristics is what it is all about.

[Dr. Chris]

Have any dogs bred by the Lanes ever competition hunted in any of the formats and been successful? I know he's been breeding dogs for a while now. Does anyone know if any of their stuff is in KY? I'd like to see some go...

Mr. Lane years ago finished 4 or 5 in the AKC and I am not sure how many in the ARHA, 15 or so over the years, they trialed heavy during the 90’s. Their speed & style are AKC Mid-West and ARHA Little Pack. Occasionally there were a few dogs that had good enough “line” that were also used in Progressive Pack, but on a scale of 1 to 10 concerning speed, their dogs are about an 8 with extreme hunt and line.

There is a guy by the name of Kevin Holland and another by the name of Paul Richardson. I believe they live around Louisville. They are both on the board here. I would call Jim or Joe Lane and ask them, they would refer you to people that may have some around you.

[joe kaschak]

Dr. Chris, I mentioned Kash's Miracle Pup Petey because of what was being looked for and because of the dogs mentioned. I am not a big breeder nor do I advertise stud dogs. I primarily breed to keep what I have going and although I do trial some, I am not a big trialer(I only have 4 beagles-Pete's mom and dad and a full sister 5 1/2 years younger). Pete's grandmother on his mother's side is a full sister to The Woofman of Smokes Creek. Pete goes back to Mr.Bill thru Zak's Hanover Kendra and to Dingus Macrea thru IFCH Branko's Big Sam (mother and sire of The Woofman). Pete also goes back to FC Mountain View Brandi (2 crosses thru his sire and dam).Brandi is the mother of Kalagha. Also in his pedigree is a double cross of IFC Wildcreek Licorice ( out of spo hall of fame FC Thorn Gap Bad Jack) and a double cross of spo hall of fame FC Fast Delivery Little Harvey(who is out of FC Luci-Van Little Man--another spo hall of fame hound. Pete has 2 wins in spo (akc) and is an excellant hunter and jump dog and has been known to run a rabbit like he is tied to it. Pete is a very good snow hound as well--he can run tracks with the best. I hunt Pete (along with his mom and dad) every chance I get because I am, first and foremost, a rabbit hunter. I will let you decide which of your 3 groups I belong in. To Gene, I would recommend that you see a dog run before breeding to him to be sure he is what you are looking for. If you would like to see my dogs, maybe we can get together for a rabbit hunt.

[bwe007]

jhall is exactly right. i have multiple dogs out of brush hog. breed father to daughter last april and have one word to say WOW!!!!!

[Casey Harner]

You have some of the Green Bay Shooter pups, like Butkus who I have heard throws tons of hunt. Recently I have heard tons of excellent things from Chimney Rock Bad Moon Rising. I am going to watch this hound run in two different formats coming up this next few weeks, and see what I think, then I'm gonna see if I like his style and maybe get a pup from him, but from what I had heard he throws TONS of hunt with TONS of nose to boot. Thats a deadly combo!!!!!