I think I got the perfect rabbit to train dogs and prepare them for opening day, I was told this rabbit is just 18” tall and just weighs close to 28 pounds. A guy came across my website and sent me this link. I think we may have to outcross and add a little Pitbull to take on this “line” of rabbit.NorWester1 wrote:1 to 1.5 would be a tough haul for snowshoe hares as it is my understanding that young hares are not sexually mature until after their first year. Here's a link, check down near the bottom of the page under conservation. Apparently some live until 6 years of age according to this site, depends on the environment I suppose.
Of course we only know what we are told and read, and I'm not sure how they ascertain such information with any consistent results and some of what is written I would seriously question.
http://www.hww.ca/hww2.asp?cid=8&id=103
Here's a couple that quote the 3 year stat that I used...
http://www.env.gov.nl.ca/snp/Animals/snowshoe_hare.htm
http://www.k12.nf.ca/helentulk/HTE%20we ... oehare.htm
What still constitutes a bloodline
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KesslerBeagles
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Oh my gosh, my poor dogs would go into cardiac arrest! lolol You might want to make that out cross to a Great Dane!Laneline wrote:I think I got the perfect rabbit to train dogs and prepare them for opening day, I was told this rabbit is just 18” tall and just weighs close to 28 pounds. A guy came across my website and sent me this link. I think we may have to outcross and add a little Pitbull to take on this “line” of rabbit.NorWester1 wrote:1 to 1.5 would be a tough haul for snowshoe hares as it is my understanding that young hares are not sexually mature until after their first year. Here's a link, check down near the bottom of the page under conservation. Apparently some live until 6 years of age according to this site, depends on the environment I suppose.
Of course we only know what we are told and read, and I'm not sure how they ascertain such information with any consistent results and some of what is written I would seriously question.
http://www.hww.ca/hww2.asp?cid=8&id=103
Here's a couple that quote the 3 year stat that I used...
http://www.env.gov.nl.ca/snp/Animals/snowshoe_hare.htm
http://www.k12.nf.ca/helentulk/HTE%20we ... oehare.htmhttp://graphics1.snopes.com/photos/anim ... rabbit.jpg
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DavisFarms
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Hey, what kind of scent do you think that thing would leave behind? Lololol Could you imagine the “confusion” that would go thru a dogs mind when he caught up to this rabbit and run into him? Now that would be great to have on video. If he was soloing and ran into him, I bet he would wish that he was running with a “large pack”.KesslerBeagles wrote: Oh my gosh, my poor dogs would go into cardiac arrest! lolol You might want to make that out cross to a Great Dane!
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I checked out your site Pine Mt , you have some nice looking dogs. I like the black and tan dog on the opening page.Pine Mt Beagles wrote:LINE BREEDIND,, INBREED OR OUT SCOSSING----.I STILL BREED THE BEST AND STRONSEST HOUNDS TO GET THE SAME, IF YOU DON'T BREED TO THE BEST YOUR CHANCES OF GETTING THE BEST KINDA GO DOWN A LITTLE. I HAVE STUDIED A LOT OF WILLET RANDEL PED'S YEARS AGO,FRANK REESE AND A LOT OF BRANKO'S PED'S YOU CAN LEARN A LOT BY READING --BUT IT TAKES A LOT OF SHOE LEATHER TO REALLY KNOW WHAT A HOUND IS DOING-----------------JIM ,,I DID NOT IN NO WAY TAKE THE COMMENT AS( NEGATIVE) I UNDERSTAND FULLY' WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND TO SAY THE LEAST IT WOULD TAKE THE HOUNDS QUITE SOME TIME TO ADAPT TO THE DIFFERENT CONDITIONS' AND I DON'T KNOW IF I EVER COULDAS YOU CAN TELL I LOVE TALKING ABOUT THE LITTLE HOUNDS AND BREEDING TO BETTER THEM,------------ON THE LINE BRED STUD QUESTION,,,,I WOULD LOOK AT ABSHIRE'S JUNIE HOUND,HE IS LINE BRED HAS THE TOOLS AND BRAINS AND IS BRED TO REPRODUCE ,JUST ONE MORE POINT A GOOD STUD IS ONLY HALF OF A BREEDING,,,,,,,,,,,GOOD LUCK AND
KEEP'EM RUNNING
PINE MT BEAGLES
I do believe that some cottontail bred dogs, regardless of where their ancestors are from have a better chance at running hare in tough conditions up here than a lot of so called hare bred dogs I have seen.
However like Jim Matuzewski wrote, I don't think you fellows are breeding for the degree of nose power necessary. I could be wrong of course, but anytime I hear claims of clean, honest, won't open till the rabbit/hare is up and running kind of mouth/nose power combo, that's almost a red flag, most certainly when the dogs in question are not being bred to run in the environment in question.
Maple Valley seems quite certain that is not the case however, and again I'll extend the invitation to come on up and prove me wrong. I could sure use the help. It was minus 35 celcius (about -31 F ) this morning here, on the stick. There was virtually no wind and I finally got up enough courage to hit the woods by 11 am. It had warmed to -27 celcius (about -16 F) Unfortunately in this old deep dry powder, I had ONE hound that could jump a hare and open on the track. She did so 3 times, and the longest run (more like swim) was just over 5 minutes. I had 4 other hounds out and never heard a peep out of any of them.
Maple Valley, there is a real nice casino and hotel in Grand Portage, MN on the other side of Mt Josephine that is minutes from the Pigeon River border crossing. I'm about a half hour drive over the border into the hills above the Slate River Valley. You could book a room there and then drive on up and then we can hopefully give these hare some exercise.
Another idea is to meet somewhere in northern Minnesota, I know a few fanciers there who would love to see some southern bred dogs run hare in these conditions. I'll have to get my pass port straightened out first though.
Let me know how you'd like to arrange it.
Incidently the only hound that gave me a glimmer of hope that a hare could be run today is an outcross
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That's because they were off to the side whispering amongst themselves. They were discussing getting you the help you need because anyone who would run dogs in minus 35 degrees is just plain nuts, lol. No offense, but really, I don't even see the point in that. It's dangerous IMO, and not worth having my dogs' eartips and feet frostbitten, but to each his own.I could sure use the help. It was minus 35 celcius (about -31 F ) this morning here, on the stick. There was virtually no wind and I finally got up enough courage to hit the woods by 11 am. It had warmed to -27 celcius (about -16 F) Unfortunately in this old deep dry powder, I had ONE hound that could jump a hare and open on the track. She did so 3 times, and the longest run (more like swim) was just over 5 minutes. I had 4 other hounds out and never heard a peep out of any of them.
Question about the dog who barked for 5 minutes and didn't produce, was she the only outcrossed dog you took out? Were the others what you would consider to be fairly linebred?
I can't believe, oh yes I can...the sudden one-upsmanship that this thread has turned into. There's so much testosterone in the air you could cut it with a knife.

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I give Keith credit, I also ran today it actually did get above zero here- about 8 above at 2:00 this afternoon for a high- I think it may have been zero when I picked up-not sure, I took my old female -my anchor and she did what she does best ran a nice hare to the gun- about 35 minutes from jump to shotgun AND did a beautiful job. I was frozen- mostly my hands-they dont work right at 20 above and at zero or below its like wearing boxing gloves, but I muttled through. The dog I am speaking of is going on ten and believe me it is going to be hard for me to continue beagling when something happens to her. Kurt Robinson P.S. This is not one upping or testosterone speaking, I had the chance to go hunting and took it. Bev, if you dont like it dont read it. Tommorrow is supposed to be around 13-14 for a high and guess what- I have the chance to hunt and I am going, I will provide a report at completion! Kurt
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Re: What still constitutes a bloodline
Knock urself out, Kurt. Like I said, to each his own, but there's a big difference between 35 below and 14 above. 
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NorWester1
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This IS winter running and hunting up here Bev. If you don't wanna hunt and run in the cold and snow then you won't run snowshoe hare in winter. Simple as that. If you wanna stay safe then dont get off the couch from watching tv
Incidently the dogs feet and ears don't get frost bit often. When it happens it's no certainly no worse than a stripped bloody tail or ears from hunting in thorn laden briars
Actually the other dogs were linebred or inbred. However I don't think the style by which they were bred had much to do with todays outcome.
When you say couldn't produce, do you mean she couldn't circle the hare?
Although admittedly off topic, it's not a matter of one up-manship at all. I REALLY would like to see some dogs that can run a hare in tough winter conditions. I'd love nothing more than finding another source. If Maple Valley has them, then I'd like to get some. I also don't care how they are bred up, scatterbred, linebred, outcrossed, or inbred.....anything that can do the job would be fine by me.
Incidently I have owned, seen and hunted with dogs that could run a hare to the gun in the conditions I was out in today....so I know they're out there.
Incidently the dogs feet and ears don't get frost bit often. When it happens it's no certainly no worse than a stripped bloody tail or ears from hunting in thorn laden briars
Actually the other dogs were linebred or inbred. However I don't think the style by which they were bred had much to do with todays outcome.
When you say couldn't produce, do you mean she couldn't circle the hare?
Although admittedly off topic, it's not a matter of one up-manship at all. I REALLY would like to see some dogs that can run a hare in tough winter conditions. I'd love nothing more than finding another source. If Maple Valley has them, then I'd like to get some. I also don't care how they are bred up, scatterbred, linebred, outcrossed, or inbred.....anything that can do the job would be fine by me.
Incidently I have owned, seen and hunted with dogs that could run a hare to the gun in the conditions I was out in today....so I know they're out there.
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klrconcrete
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They're probably not real prevalent down around Indy!! Please re-read my post it was below zero while I was running, ( that IS testosterone speaking) Kurt Robinson
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NORWESTER1
I THINK I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, IS IF A HOUND DOES NOT OPEN BEFORE IT JUMPS IT MIGHT BE LACKING IN NOSE POWER, AND I HAVE SAW JUST EXACTELY THAT,,MOST OF THE HOUNDS I HAVE BRED WILL DRAW A MINUS FOR BARKING A LITTLE QUICK OR SOMETIMES A LOT QUICK,BECAUSE THEY HAVE A GOOD NOSE.IT DOES NOT BOTHER ME TO GET A MINUS LIKE THAT,,ON THE OTHER SIDE I HAVE WATCHED HOUNDS RUN A FRESH TRACK IN GOOD CONDITIONS AND NOT BARK A TIME' BUT STAY ON THE LINE AND VERY FAST' THE NOSE IS NOT A QUESTION WITH THE HOUNDS I WATCHED, THEY WERE NOT MY HOUNDS ,BUT THEY COULD PUSH A TRACK JUST DIDN'T OPEN,IF ONE OF MY HOUNDS BARK FOR VERY LONG AND DON'T PRODUCE I START THINK ABOUT IT'S BRAIN AND NOT THE NOSE. -- I HAD A HOUND BROUGHT DOWN HERE RIGHT OUT OF NORTHWAY SPUR'' THAT HAD GOTTEN LOST AND FROST BITTEN REAL BAD' HIS EYE'S LOOKED WHITE AND HIS PADS WOULD GET REALLY SOFT IF RAN ALOT BUT HE HAD REALLY GOOD HUNT -- I BRED HIM SEVERAL TIMES' SURE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HIM TODAY. BUT HEY IT'S ALL GOOD ,WHEN THE HOUNDS ARE RUNNING RIGHT COLD OR HOT
PINE MT BEAGLES
I THINK I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, IS IF A HOUND DOES NOT OPEN BEFORE IT JUMPS IT MIGHT BE LACKING IN NOSE POWER, AND I HAVE SAW JUST EXACTELY THAT,,MOST OF THE HOUNDS I HAVE BRED WILL DRAW A MINUS FOR BARKING A LITTLE QUICK OR SOMETIMES A LOT QUICK,BECAUSE THEY HAVE A GOOD NOSE.IT DOES NOT BOTHER ME TO GET A MINUS LIKE THAT,,ON THE OTHER SIDE I HAVE WATCHED HOUNDS RUN A FRESH TRACK IN GOOD CONDITIONS AND NOT BARK A TIME' BUT STAY ON THE LINE AND VERY FAST' THE NOSE IS NOT A QUESTION WITH THE HOUNDS I WATCHED, THEY WERE NOT MY HOUNDS ,BUT THEY COULD PUSH A TRACK JUST DIDN'T OPEN,IF ONE OF MY HOUNDS BARK FOR VERY LONG AND DON'T PRODUCE I START THINK ABOUT IT'S BRAIN AND NOT THE NOSE. -- I HAD A HOUND BROUGHT DOWN HERE RIGHT OUT OF NORTHWAY SPUR'' THAT HAD GOTTEN LOST AND FROST BITTEN REAL BAD' HIS EYE'S LOOKED WHITE AND HIS PADS WOULD GET REALLY SOFT IF RAN ALOT BUT HE HAD REALLY GOOD HUNT -- I BRED HIM SEVERAL TIMES' SURE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HIM TODAY. BUT HEY IT'S ALL GOOD ,WHEN THE HOUNDS ARE RUNNING RIGHT COLD OR HOT
PINE MT BEAGLES
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Re: What still constitutes a bloodline
Norwester, when does your hunting season start and end?
Just a side note, I don't watch television. Not even an hour per month.
Just a side note, I don't watch television. Not even an hour per month.
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Even though that was a real 12-year-old thing to say, I'll give you a pass on that, Kurt, because I know Michigan's economy has to be one of the worst in the country right now, and it probably has everyone there wearing a hair shirt. If you ever find yourself down around Indy, you'll find that you guys don't have any market or bloodline cornered up there. It's the same stuff down here.They're probably not real prevalent down around Indy!!
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I think we maybe getting a little off topic here but I'll bite again, Bev you have to understand thats the world Norweser1 lives in, if he wants to run dogs steady he's going to run in conditions that you think are nuts! I didn't hunt this week not because it was -20 below over night but because of old snow and that cold my dogs can't do it. If we would have gotten a little lake affect snow would have,would not have been pretty thuogh.personly in these conditions like to have a dog a little cold nosed and mouthy.also i don't think there is to much testosterone here but it may be getting north vs. south

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NorWester1
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Bev wrote:Norwester, when does your hunting season start and end?
Just a side note, I don't watch television. Not even an hour per month.
September 1st to June 15 of the next year
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jim matuszewski
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In wi. cottons end feb.15 snowshoes season is open year round don't shoot after march because of parisites and hare start breeding, don't shoot alot anyway preditors do enough damage.