Breeding ?

MasonsBeagles · Post by **MasonsBeagles** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 9:24 pm

You got to line breed the bitches as well as the males to produce a consistent line in my opinion.

I DID LIE TO SWING AND FOR THAT I APOLOGIZE!!!!

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 9:28 pm

mason ypu are correct but i thought he wanted the male and the females traits,,,,,,,if i got a good cross and im wanting it again i out cross 1 time then breed back switching over,,,,,,for instance, grandaughter to grandfather,,,,,grandson to granny,,,,,,,

MasonsBeagles · Post by **MasonsBeagles** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 9:36 pm

Here is my take on the 3/4 crossess. I do have one and she is a fine dog that produces better than she is. The only problem is line breeding in the future to the same bloodlines. When you do a 3/4 cross you are basically breeding yourself into a corner. I am fortunate to have this female and for the future glad she is bred the way she is bred. But it does limit on going back on the father side. Not worried about crazy acting dogs or conformation problems. The concern goes into areas of inbreeding coeeficients on fertility. The tighter you go you run the risk of animals loosing their fertility.

I would still make the cross if you consider it bettering the breed.

swing · Post by **swing** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:39 pm

I wish I could trust what you are saying Will but something tells me not to. LMAO

swing · Post by **swing** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:44 pm

Here is what the Sire looks like

http://www.rockhillbeagles.com/jake.htm

Here is the Dam

http://www.rockhillbeagles.com/fannie.htm

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 11:27 pm

Hi my name is Will Mason and I am a habitual liar, I need counseling and is there any support groups here that I can join?

steve · Post by **steve** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 6:25 pm

Randy if you where to know me personally you wouldn't ask that question.I don't do things like normal people would like.And I didn't make this post just gave an answer.Now as for being cracked I'm going hunting tommorrow and the high is gonna be maybe O degrees should make for some tough running for these dogs and even gonna hunt a 5mth old pup with them,Randy still think I'm all there.Steve

swing · Post by **swing** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 7:31 pm

Well, when she comes in I think were going to do it, thats the thot for now, and I am going hunting tomorrow and wind chill is going to be in the negative.
Hopefully I will have some pictures after tomorrows hunt, I am pretty sure there is snow on the ground also.

GR · Post by GR » Wed Dec 22, 2004 8:07 pm

I know I am not a regular on here but I recently read an outstanding book on this subject. The New Art of Breeding Better dogs by Kyle Onstott. I got it used off of Amazon for $5. It not only talks about dogs but goes into genetics of why things occur. I really found it enlightening and eye opening. Wild animals don't worry about breeding to family members. The only difference is that mother nature culls ruthlessly and the law of natural selection is in effect so the substandard induividuals die.

If you are willing to keep the whole litter and are not afraid to cull there is no reason not to make the mating. No new traits or weaknesses are going to be created, just going to bring what exists to the surface and intensify it. Cull off the poor ones and keep going.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 10:23 pm

swing,,,,,,if it suits you do it ,you know what your looking for as far as traits go im with you all the way,,,,,,

Black Swamp · Post by **Black Swamp** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 3:26 am

I am not much of a breeder, however I raise patch hounds now and would like to keep the style of hounds i have tight. I will breed Grandfather/granddaughter, aunt/newphew etc. I now guys that breed closer some examples are the squirrel hunter and their Mt. curs. I am not one to cull as fast as most. I have to keep my wife out of my kennels. She will fall in love with every pup there and after that I cant dream of culling.
Good luck
Cedric