New UKC Beagle Format

WrongsideRandy · Post by **WrongsideRandy** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:15 pm

Paul....I love that picture of the hamburger rabbit! I bet if I twisted your arm a little there is a funny story to go with that

lol
Take care,

Randy

WrongsideRandy · Post by **WrongsideRandy** » Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:44 pm

Redtick wrote:Randy, I know what my beagles are doing while I am standing in the road. I know what my coonhounds are doing when I am standing in the road at night. Not always, but usually. I hunt a lot, both day and night.
I am interested in dogs that produce the meat. Period. I really don't care how they do it. I want dogs that produce the meat!. Some of you guys want to put form before function. The function of a beagle hound is to bring the rabbit around to the gun. If they fail to do that, they failed to do their function. If they do bring the rabbit to the gun, then they performed their function. Giving plus points for tracks that fail to bring the rabbit to a position where it could probably be harvested is rewarding a beagle for failing to do it's function. I am against it.
You guys keep bringing up ARHA Rabbit Champion Morning Star, a gunshy beagle I owned for a short period of time. I bought Star from Tony Woodward, and sold her at a big loss to Merle Crain. Both are very well known beaglers. Ask them about her. None of her blood is in any of my dogs. None of my current dogs are gunshy. Nuff said.
Championships are in the eye of the beholder. But, there are some beagle Championships that have no value in my kennels. That's what I have been saying all along. Some people think that is bad mouthing their dog. That is their doubt they have about their dog's Championship value, I have no doubts about their dog's Championship value to me.

Dave..Can you honestly say "in all your years of dogs" you have never seen a UKC Champion that was gunshy??? lol....nuff said!

I am done with this post before you sucker me into possibly offending people who dont deserve to be offended. 99% of the Champions in all formats are deserving rabbit dogs...there is no need in any of us trying to tarnish that.

I'll see you all around. Tell Francis Gail I said hello and wishing you all a Happy Holiday!

Take care,
Randy

thornie · Post by **thornie** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:02 am

Redtick,
I run ARHA LP, PP, UKC, PKC and I like what I hunt. You are more then welcome to come to Ohio and bring your dogs whatever style you want to run. I have med speed that will grub a track, med-fast that can run and control the line or the wild and crazy that can flat drive a rabbit. I have hunted with a couple of the dogs that you purchased and have won and lost against them. I run what I like to run , and if I don't like it for some reason or another I don't go back. There are ways of exspressing your opions, such as rules committies, state representatives or even the registries themselves. I here you always say that your a veteran and have some medical problems and you can't stay with your dogs, fi you would go to an ARHA hunt. Well I'm the same as you, and there always seems to be a young person at the hunts that would handle a dog for you.
I had a young man handle my dog and he made it to the finals, to me this was better then me handling my own dog. I gusse what I'm trying to say is I don't need to come on here and bash an organasation or another persons dog, if I don't feel that I'm man enough to do it face to face or do it, with the rules committies. Like I said your more than welcome to come and run with the old timers here in Ohio, but you better be able to take a joke and a little harassment and lots of coffee.

Redtick · Post by **Redtick** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:02 am

Thornie, I got a feeling you and I would get along just fine. And, even though I do not put a lot of faith in some formats as the way to judge a beagle, I do attend some of these formats anyway. I get along with most folks at the hunts and Frances Gail is always there to keep me in line. Maybe we will hook up at a hunt sometime. I like your idea of getting young folks involved and I look for young folks to handle a dog for me every chance I can. I have a variety of styles with my beagles also and some that would do better in some formats than others. I prefer the fast ones.
Randy, I am sure there may be some gunshy beagles around but many of the guys I know very well that attend UKC Beagle Hunts are very much harvesters of rabbits during gun season. I will alter that some by saying about half of the folks I know that trial locally never harvest any rabbits at all. If they did, we wouldn't have rabbits to run in the hunts. So, I suppose some of their dogs may not have been shot over a lot. Gunshyness is usually a training error unless a dog is naturally shy. Shooting over a dog in the hunts does not prove much to me. I do harvest a few rabbits over my dogs, just to be able to say I have gun dogs but harvesting rabbits is not a big deal to me. I do like rabbit dogs that consistantly bring a rabbit around to possible shooting positions. I cull the ones that don't instead of declaring a "dead track" and awarding plus points.
I do know my opinions offend some but they are just my opinions and only that. I don't feel it is a bad thing to be outspoken about rules, they all could be improved.

WrongsideRandy · Post by **WrongsideRandy** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 6:52 pm

Dave, One other quick question. Have you ever witnessed PP certification in person?

Take care,
Randy

Redtick · Post by **Redtick** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:31 pm

No, but I own a beagle that has over 200 PP points. Randy, to be honest and while trying not to be too offensive, after going to some LP hunts and see the PP rules are not too very different, I am not very interested in ever attending a PP hunt or certification. It may be valuable to you and is apparently valuable to others, but it holds no value to me. But, that's just me, other have a right to view things differently. I do think UKC will be better managers of their program if it goes through but I think UKC always had the dogs to produce the meat before they could earn UKC Championship points and I think it should remain that way. Again, that's just me.

WrongsideRandy · Post by **WrongsideRandy** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:08 pm

Dave....No offense taken. I figured from the way you were talking you had never seen a certification.

Take care,
Randy

Jesse Duncan · Post by **Jesse Duncan** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:10 am

Hey Redtick,

Don't stess yourself out trying to get meat. If your that hungry go to the supermarket and buy some! Jesse Duncan

Redtick · Post by **Redtick** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 9:34 am

Actually, Frances Gail usually serves me either chopped sirloin or ham. I don't have to harvest the rabbit but I sure like my dogs to put the rabbit in a possible harvest position. I do a lot of my "shots" with a camcorder these days. I can't get much good footage or a good gun shot on a "dead track" and I minus my dogs for them. I do not plus them like some formats do.