BREEDING QUESTION

[VA BEAGLER]

Hey guys,
My questions are:

1. Is it desirable or ethical to mate beagles that have the same father but different Mothers?

and

2. Would there be any problems with mating a 13" male to a 10" female?

Thanks,
Chris

[Joe P.]

1. Half brother and sister can be a very good cross or it can be bad, same as any cross there is no way of knowing unless you try it.I have crossed half mates a few times and it worked very well all but once and that one time had mixed results. The main thing you have to be willing to do if you are going to cross that close(any cross in my book) is to cull relentlessly.

2. No ,it should not be a problem.

[Lone Pine Beagles]

Chris,

Make sure the hound that is being "doubled up" on is what you want in your breeding program. The resulting pups would technically be 50% of the grandfather, just like any dog directly out of him would be 50%. It's a good cross to make after the "great one" has died, and all you have is offspring to cross with to continue his influence. Looking back through old pedigrees it has been very successful.

Good luck,
Lone Pine Beagles

[VA BEAGLER]

Thanks for the info, I have mostly 10"-11" females all with the same father but all with diffrent mothers. and I have one 10"(should be) male with the same father as the females but he has a differnt mother as well. The breeder I go through is getting to old to continue (his words) to breed and I feel he will be selling his dogs and I won't be able to buy his breed much longer and he has been breeding this breed since the 40's- 50's. His 10" stud has 18 FC's and 6 Hall of fame 13" class FC's in his liniage and his female have a few in theirs, and I feel he has a superb blood line that I would like to continue.
I will try it and monitor the results. hopefully it will produce the results I would like.

Chris

[Cannon Hollow Hounds]

If you don't mind my prying..lol..what bloodline is this ? Thanks, CHH

[VA BEAGLER]

They (3 fem, 1 male) are out of mainly: FC Rob's Diamond II, several "B&W's" like FC B&W's Wright Line Brownie, & several "Buzzes" like FC Bryson's Swamp Buzz boy& FC Smith's Buzz Saw. plus more

I also have one 13" male who has 18 FC's and 4 of which are Hall of Fame FC's like FC Lucy Van Little Man, FC Fast Delivery Little Harvey, FC Del Ray Stubby, & FC Red River Bruce all within his 5 gen pedigree. plus more

I am hoping to continue to breed a quality blood line, I can breed my 13" male to the three Female above which will cross these two lines or breed my 10" male of their same line and see what that gets me. Either way I feel I can't go wrong.

Chris

[Shady Grove Beagles]

Don't get hung up on the human definitions of relationship and the taboos that are related to human beings.
These are dogs. We can breed them any way we want. That being said it is up to us to do all the pre-breeding research to insure that what we are breeding will better the breed and hopefully our own kennel of beagles in terms of producing better rabbit dogs.
This "research" consists of training, hunting,running and/or trialing the dogs you're going to mate or at the very least have an intimate knowledge preferably first hand or from a very trusted knowledgable source of their traits,abilities,tendencies, etc.
It will also benifit you to have a strong knowledge of their 3 generation pedigree and the dogs that are contained in it.Again either first hand or from a VERY reliable source about those dog's traits, charecteristics,etc. This also includes any health related issues or genetic linked strengths or weaknesses.
Once, and only once you have made every effort to assure yourself that the dogs you want to breed are free of any fault either in rabbit running associated abilities or physical attributes that you would not want to see passed on then by all means go ahead and breed them!
DO not concern yourself with their so called degree of relationship such as cousin, uncle, niece,etc.FOLLOW THE ABILITY and breed accordingly!
And be willing then to make the effort to "prove" out the cross you made and cull out those that did not attain the goal you were shooting for.
What is important in breeding is the genes not the degree of so called relationship. Why do you think it is that one male in a litter is a Hall of Fame reproducer and his brother can't produce a pup worth having?Why are some pups in a litter 13" and some15" ?Why are some open marked, some blanketbacked and even another blueticked all out of the same litter?
It is because of the random combination of genes. When we think about breeding dogs and put it in human terms we tend to say" oh we can't do that, it's too close. Brother to sister or father to daughter, surely they'll be[pick one] too shy,crazy,sickly,etc.IF THE DOGS YOU BRED WERE NOT SHY,CRAZY,SICKLY,ETC. AND THE DOGS BEHIND THEM WERE NOT THAT WAY THEN JUST BREEDING CLOSE IS NOT GOING TO MAKE THEM THAT WAY.NO CAN DO!!!!!!!!!!!
Because of the random combination of genes pups in the same litter MAY or MAY NOT be "geneticaly" closely related.It is the closeness of the genotype that is important not whether they are" their own grandpa" as the song says.
We get an indication of the genotype [ that which is possessed but not easily seen] by looking at the phenotype [that which is seen like size,voice,color,foot speed,nose,etc.]
If you want consistancy in you breedings the best way is in breeding together dogs of like genotype.I'm not saying you will get better beagles by linebeeding or inbreeding but you can get where you want to go alot quicker with it . Beware as it is not for the faint of heart. When you narrow the gene pool down to stand a better chance of getting what you want make sure you know what's there as you can also get a strong dose of something you don't want.SELECTION of the stud and dam is what it is all about.Follow the ability and breed like to like regardless of how their "relationship" comes out
Anyways that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[fulcount]

Well said Shady grove!! my sentiments exactly!!
John o
PS And dont get hung up on the FC title for breeding purposes it will Kill you!!

[ringtail]

my father some 40 years ago bred beagles,,,,,,,,he bred his dogs father/daughter- mother/son,,,,,,,if the genes are there and its what you want do it this is how you get a line bred hound to my knowledge,,,,,,but dont be afraid to cull your undesireable traits,,,,,,,,,i have a 12 1/2'' female right now loaded up with stubby robs diamond, wright line ozzie,all the brreds you mentionedher and my male are so much alike in hunt, jump , line nose and brains so i bred her to my double northway male now the female is double stubby bred,,,,,,,im keeping a pair male and female tho breed back to these two,,,,if there traits are like parents and if so the breeding will be father/daughter-mother/son,,,,,,,,

just my opinion which isnt worth much on here,,,,,,,,,,,jeff