You Get What You Pay For

Lance · Post by **Lance** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:29 pm

Hey Jeremy, I used to run from Cincinnati to Danville. Did it for 10 yrs, and finally said the hell with it. Got tired of working all those nights, weekends, and holidays. Just wasn't worth it to me.

hubertsoutlaw · Post by **hubertsoutlaw** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:39 pm

Lance. I still do work the road but when I get tired of working seven days a week I go work in the yard. When trial season comes I will be in the yard. Good luck in what you do and keep running them hounds. JEREMY

checkmate kennels · Post by **checkmate kennels** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:41 pm

Frank is a good friend and i could not see him cheating this post was about the price of beagles in general and once again it turns to bashing people it never changes on here and i guess it never will i hope someday i get a chance to run against this outlaw dog.

hubertsoutlaw · Post by **hubertsoutlaw** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:48 pm

Still in all the posts you have put your alls OPINIONS. They are good because people feel different about different things. Still the question remains (Do you get what you pay for). In my three years of beagling I have. I have had several solid hounds but Only one really good one. The reason, I got what I paid for. I have decided to get serious about beagling. I'm putting $5000.00 just in my kennel and running pen. I have seven pups coming. In two years i will be where I want. My kennel will have mostly Turbo and LumberJack hounds. They are the best bloodlines I have seen that I like the most. Hope more people reply and say that you do get what you pay for. JEREMY

MGB · Post by **MGB** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:35 pm

Hubertsoutlaw I'm sure you'll make alot of friends on your way to the top.But if you don't by some chance,Blue Bandit will be there by your side......Don't let these guys with these $100 dogs bother you.Keep tooting your own horn.

Best Wishes
Toot Toot

checkmate kennels · Post by **checkmate kennels** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:59 pm

and know you are bashing other peoples dogs how would you know what they pay for their dogs

Big Dog · Post by **Big Dog** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:13 pm

As far as getting what you pay for, I am a firm believer that there is no easy way to be competitive and have good dogs. You have to have to start with a quality dog and put the time into him and if all works out well you should end up with some good dogs. Sometimes you can get lucky, but if you are looking for consistency then it is better to do your homework and footwork upfront. I currently have 9 dogs in my kennel and there is only one of the nine that was bought as a running dog, and that is because I had run with him and new he had potential. I have better luck buying or breeding pups and starting them and running them myself. Some make the cut and some don't that is a chance you take. I have learned that the definition of a good dog changes from person to person. One man's junk is another man's treasure. As far as getting what you pay for, as long as the buyer is happy then he got what he paid for, despite what anyone else might think. I have sold a few dogs over the last couple of years and none were duds. Some had faults that I couldn't live with but didn't matter to others. I am willing to pay 200 - 300 for a well bred pup. $300 - 600 for a good running dog that I have seen run that has impressed me, but as I have said before, I really have no desire to buy running dogs, I will get one every now and then, but I have had better luck raising them from pups and keeping the ones I like and selling the ones that I don't like. I say get what you can get for them, if someone is willing to pay the big bucks then I say go for it, as for me if it is a true 1500 - 3000 dollar dog, it will never leave my house as they are few and far between. If you really want to increase your odds of getting a good pup, then buy 2 or 3 pups out of the same cross if you think it is hot. Not every pup will be a world beater in a cross but if you get two or three of them then you increase your chances of getting that world beater or at least a good solid hound, as I have yet to find a world beater(LOL).

Big Dog

letumrun · Post by **letumrun** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:20 pm

jeremy
i judged your dog at the last trial at greensburg and i think he came in second in the cast so i hope your not saying that was one of the times you got cheated because a female got away from all the other dogs and ran about 10 minutes all by herself and everybody new who won the cast
she had a strike jump and 4 checks and outlaw had 2 checks
im the master of hounds at greensburg and i think everything is ran pretty honestly and fair

letumrun · Post by **letumrun** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:21 pm

also jeremy thanks for helping us judge at the last hunt

warddog · Post by **warddog** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:46 pm

I'm NOT knocking anyones dogs but I've yet to see an $800.00 beagle let alone a $1500.00+ priced one. Now, folks I've tried several $800.00, 3 year old beagles that couldn't circle a rabbit, period. Yeah I watch one of those start 8 rabbits one day and NOT circle a one of them. We were then asked if we wanted to see the dog with another dog. I'd say that the 3 yr old dog was no more than a started dog but the owner said that was the bottom dollar because that blood line would bring that kind of money. The real kicker was that was a knocked down price from $1200.00. Why in the world can't some one just please tell me what makes a beagle worth that type of money? I doubt anyone can tell me because it is as I have stated subjective or in the eye of the beholder. You tell me, akc this or ukc that, then you go into LP, PP, LPH, SPO, UBGF and any and every other format in the world to justify a certain running sytle of beagle. I've been in this beagle arena for over 40 years and I've yet to lay my eyes on a perfect hound. They ALL have faults and if someone has one that's worth $1500.00+ and it's not even got a first or even numerous other places in several different terrains under several different judges then it evidently isn't one of the best dogs out there in the eyes of the judging peers. Some will say he/she got cheated, so does that make the dog that finished that championship degree with that cheated win over you worth $2500.00+? Must be if yours was priced at $1500.00+ and this one beat yours! Folks you can talk all the crap you want but I've seen it in coonhunts for numerous years the best dog does NOT always win and in fact many times they don't even place. The judging of hounds is just like the subjective judging of boxing and until you get a scoring system that takes the Human intervention out of it you will continually be at the discretion of a judge or group of judges opinion (judgement). There sure were alot of disappointed people years back when Olympic boxing went to a more objective scoring system. When someone has a top rabbit running hound that consistantly reproduces it's likeness then I may be able to see one of them High dollar hounds but I doubt I'll be able to buy it at any price. I'm like Big Dog if I ever do get a high dollar dog it won't leave my kennel.

checkmate kennels · Post by **checkmate kennels** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:01 pm

Well put ken. How has the running been up there we are finaly getting some much needed rain.

hubertsoutlaw · Post by **hubertsoutlaw** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 7:12 pm

Letemrun. No my dog did get beat fair and square at the last hunt he was in. I talked with my buddy Josh who handled Outlaw and he said that the best dog did win. My dog was out of shape, but he still got beat. I have no trouble losing if a good dog beats me. I have trouble getting cheated when it cost me about 100.00 dollars no matter what trial I go to. I don't want anybody to give my dog anything, but if he desirves give it to him. I like the trial at Greensburg, it is my favorite NKC trial. Most of the people are great. I guess you just get off on the wrong foot with some people. Doesn't any one get the Rabbit Hunter. Doesn't anyone get tired of the home club members usually winning at there home clubs but when they go other places they don't do anything. I believe in Honesty and Hard Work. You are honest and I like that in a person. Some people don't take trialing as serious as other people. I do. Sorry if anyone was offended by this I was just telling it how it is. Maybe me doing the right thing and exlpoiting the cheating going on(home cooking) may make a difference.. Maybe not. I will continue to do the RIGHT thing in judging and in life no matter what anybody else does. Letemrun sorry because I didn't mean to throw you in this. Your all right! JEREMY

hubertsoutlaw · Post by **hubertsoutlaw** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 7:25 pm

Check Mate. I never put a price on a good dog. I ask you if you get what you pay for. If you pay for a $200.00 dog that is a world beater, did you not get what you pay for. Just because you pay $2000.00 dollars for a dog dosen't he may be any better than your $200.00 dollar dog. If i pay $2000.00 dollars for a dog he will have a title and be what I'm looking for to breed to and stud out. Big Dog. I also have had better luck with buying pups for $200.00 dollars and raising them. That is why I have seven pups coming. Get this my Outlaw Dog was FREE! My uncle Steve gave him to me for riding 1200 miles to pick up a dog. Did I get what I paid for. Yep! JEREMY P.S. He is a great dog that will die at my kennel. Anyone of you can come up and joy run with me and have a good time. That is what it's about. Getting together with friends and watching Outlaw Kick there Butts. That is how it usually happens. LOL. JEREMY

hubertsoutlaw · Post by **hubertsoutlaw** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 7:28 pm

Big dog i respect your post. You seem to know what you are talking about.

hubertsoutlaw · Post by **hubertsoutlaw** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 7:39 pm

MGB it is not about making it to the top. Even though i will, because I work at it. I call and apple a apple and a cheater a cheater. That is fine if you have to suck up to who ever to win. I don't care if who ever likes me because I know I do the right thing. There for I will have a lot more friends than Enemys. If you new me you would feel the same. If anybody need my help I would help them in any way I could. Enemy or not! I won't suck up though because thats not me. I will just beat you with better dogs or get beat by a better dog. I will be able to go home and know i didn't wrong anybodys dog or the person who owns him. I shoot straight, I don't beat around the bush. I hope you get a chance to draw out against my Outlaw dog too. All though I think you will see it a little one sided. JEREMY