James, that sounds like a BS tale to me, and the rest of us are trying to be serious in this discussion!!!!
Yours can't be topped, although we probably have put forth our best effort.
Ted, should I get into how your dogs STRETCH a rabbit? Is that another term not heard often?
Joe it is the act of not slowing down, but while still at running speed, not opening of course, scattering and swinging in a circle first and if no one picks it up right away, then slowing way down and carefully working back in since the rabbit is in the circle somewhere. That gets the squatting rabbit caught.
Your right, the territory, scenting, and weather conditions we all run in makes a heck of a lot of the difference. Some of your careful medium-medium fast dogs might just be real fast, enough to surprise you, if put in our territory where they could get enough scent to run with their heads up and put out all they are physically capable of running. Think if there is a difference in how yours run a rabbit and then how about a deer. Ours wouild, if they ran deer, run both with the same speed on most days here.
misunderstandings over defining your ideal beagle?
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Before I read all of your responses I must clarify my last post because I miss spoke. The swinging action can mess up the pack if the swinger gets lucky and gains an unfair advantage over his pack mates. This will put him out ahead of his pack mates for that check and only that check. On the next check when he swings he might not be so lucky and if the rest of the pack has not harked up to him they will be working from an older and also soiled line. Sorry for the misspeak.
To James Carman
It's right there in print on the forum description "First liar doesn't stand a chance!" LOL!
Tom: I don't think it would help either but I'll tell you about me anyway. I'm a hunter I try to enter 1 to 2 trials a year just to see whats around and do something different. I like meduium speed hounds as we describe medium speed which leaves a whole lot of room for different speeds within the medium catagory as we describe it. I prefer the complete beagle. That is, one who can do it all under all conditions and for several days in a row.
beagleman 973: "swining back and forth across the line while running the track" is what we call weaving. The hound doesn't have a good hold of the line and is not in control of it and is in danger at any time of checking.
John: Our hounds already run the high scent here. We really don't have Ice and snow year round and there is nothing like a cool spring day with a light drizzle to get the hounds in high gear. I don't reckon there are some days when the hounds grab the high scent and are flat out going when they run a rabbit like a deer but for the most part the deer leaves much more scent and so the hounds are able to go faster on that amount of scent as compared to the little scent left by a rabbit. Same reason why they go faster on hare then on rabbit, more scent. It must be nice to have the majority of youor days good scenting days. In the place where we run the ground is bare crused shale under the brush and when it gets hot and dry the scenting can be tough. It's a great place to start pups because if they can handle that they can handle about anything. There is also a grassy hill with sumac and when the rabbit is pushed out into the grass the run always picks up speed when the shale is dry.
beagleman 973: "swining back and forth across the line while running the track" is what we call weaving. The hound doesn't have a good hold of the line and is not in control of it and is in danger at any time of checking.
John: Our hounds already run the high scent here. We really don't have Ice and snow year round and there is nothing like a cool spring day with a light drizzle to get the hounds in high gear. I don't reckon there are some days when the hounds grab the high scent and are flat out going when they run a rabbit like a deer but for the most part the deer leaves much more scent and so the hounds are able to go faster on that amount of scent as compared to the little scent left by a rabbit. Same reason why they go faster on hare then on rabbit, more scent. It must be nice to have the majority of youor days good scenting days. In the place where we run the ground is bare crused shale under the brush and when it gets hot and dry the scenting can be tough. It's a great place to start pups because if they can handle that they can handle about anything. There is also a grassy hill with sumac and when the rabbit is pushed out into the grass the run always picks up speed when the shale is dry.
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Alabama John
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Joe, I have always prefaced my remarks with "in the running conditions here". I do not know what our (mine and my friends) dogs would do in your harsh weather. They tend to be hot nosed so they probably would not do good or even be able run at all according to the Northern folks post on their conditions on this board. They might be all over the place trying to run there the same speed and style as they do here. I just do not know, nor never will.
Remember, although we seldom run hillbillies, the majority of our running is after Canecutters that swim in the water in all seasons, thus wet rabbit. As you said, your best scenting and fastest running is in Spring in a slight or light rain, thus wet (small) rabbit. When you shoot a Canecutter in Winter, they will usually be very wet, hot to the touch, and steam will be coming off them if they have been run a while. They are bigger than you imagine, bigger (longer) than a lot of beagles. They seem to give off a lot of scent.
Remember, although we seldom run hillbillies, the majority of our running is after Canecutters that swim in the water in all seasons, thus wet rabbit. As you said, your best scenting and fastest running is in Spring in a slight or light rain, thus wet (small) rabbit. When you shoot a Canecutter in Winter, they will usually be very wet, hot to the touch, and steam will be coming off them if they have been run a while. They are bigger than you imagine, bigger (longer) than a lot of beagles. They seem to give off a lot of scent.
John: I suspect that with a litle time to adjust they would do fine. Your canecutters sound like the size of a hare and if so naturally your hounds will run faster on them with the scent the larger game will give off. ON rabbit here with scenting poorer then your used to you would find your hounds gearing down to suit the conditions but even in snow when it gets a bit moist the conditions pick up pretty good. fact we look foreward to a litttle wet snow to make the running better when things freeze up; and the rabbits stand out aganst the white background, it's great for hunting. Hounds can pound on snow too and I suspect the scenting on snow isn't as bad as you might beleive. Fresh snow can even help them because they can see the tracks in the snow. Ice is a different story. It doesn't hold scent at all. When there is glare ice on the snow its kind of like running on black top. The crust you hear us speaking of is kind of like granular ice froozen together to make the top of the snow hard and any ice makes it tougher. I've run hare on wet snow and in the spring when scenting was really good and the hounds just fly on them and a couple of times we've run them in the summer too with the same results. I always prefeced my remarks on rabbit because that's what we mainly run and because of the fact that they will hole and that allows a gauge to judge foot speed on. Hare, when being pushed hard, will go clean out of hearing for long periods of time. Rabbits rarely go out of hearing for long unless you catch them outside of their home territory. It is much eaisier for a hound raised on rabbits to switch to hare then it is the other way around. It takes a good hound to be raised on hare and then transition easily to rabbit.
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Tommy Oliver
Just get you a pair of Basset's like I have, and they will show you how it's done, and done properly. Then you won't have to worry about all this swinging, slashing, reaching, pushing, and then you all will not have to lie about all your hounds faults, or defend them, whatever your doing here. 
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pj
joe i hav a dog that is what you like hes 6 and has 250 points toward champion in arha little pack.....then he serches tight and what you call reaches....though i have a 18 month old male that can consistently beat him on the check and is a wild crazy swinger.....and the 6 year old male has beaten a lot of good dogs from swingers to close check dogs....when that 18 month old male grabs a check hes gone...by the time my swinger picks it up again my 6 year old dog is just getting there and the male is gone again...thus my point a swinger can consistently beat a tight check dog....off of the check....thus the way i look at running a swinger with tight check dogs the swinger is doing all the work while the tight check dogs are busy searching for the swinger as he has the rabbit and has done left the area.....thats the type of dog i call mine... pj
PJ. Searching at a check in an efficent manner is only part of the equation. Obviously there is something wrong with your 6 year old dog that your not telling; otherwise no 18 month old pup would be able to beat him consistantly. Especially an 18 month old pup that consistantly exhibits faulty hound work.
The swinger isn't working he's casting out in the hope that he'll get lucky and hit the trail ahead. He's gambling, not working.
How many points are required in the ARHA for a tittle? What scores does your 6 year old get at those trials?
The swinger isn't working he's casting out in the hope that he'll get lucky and hit the trail ahead. He's gambling, not working.
How many points are required in the ARHA for a tittle? What scores does your 6 year old get at those trials?
Joe,
I know you been waiting to hear from me, but my question is a little off the topic.
My buddy called me the other nite and said his young dog had run a deer and he didnt have a e-collar to use to break him with.
I said I have heard rumors of guys hollering some word that breaks them but I forgot what the word was, could you refresh my memory.
Trent
I know you been waiting to hear from me, but my question is a little off the topic.
My buddy called me the other nite and said his young dog had run a deer and he didnt have a e-collar to use to break him with.
I said I have heard rumors of guys hollering some word that breaks them but I forgot what the word was, could you refresh my memory.
Trent
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pj
there is absolutley nothing wrong with this 6 year old dog he is flat out tuff as alot of peple at the hunts dred running against him....there is no faults in this hound except he only hunts when he wants to....that pup dosnt drift he works the check in a circular motion not drifts in one way....and he works it fast...swingin is not a gamble its a style of check work..period you cannot sit there and try to tell any of us its a fault cause ill tell you your full of poop...or you dont know much about hounds..and the 6 year old has 250 points toward champion...what you need is a 100 points and a first...hes lacking a first but hes placed from 2nd to 8th in that range in every trial....out of 30 trials in his career so far hes placed at 24 of them..no bs in that statement...