Richard Smoker===had me a little confused there untill i went back and read what Chris had said about me in an earlyer post-what you were doing was repeating what Chris had said in an earlyer post and added your comment to it by saying::::::::::::::
Chris are you calling me a liar?
Sometimes it takes me a while to catch on-Thank You-Richard.
misunderstandings over defining your ideal beagle?
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acomeau: Here is the decription I learned long ago of cold trailing : Opening on an old scent usually made the previous night or hours earlier.
Cold Line (trail) : The faint scent when minutes or hours old according to the scenting conditions.
Under those descriptions I can assure you that there are vary many people who have hounds who are not cold trailers.
John: Don't need to convince me that your hounds, though they may swing some, are also capable of running down a rabbit. I beleive you on that point fully. Remember as I said before all hounds have faults, that's not the issue; but rather we've been discussing whether or not a fault is a fault.
IN the old days when Lew Madden was a brace trialer the brace hounds were known to be fast. So fast in fact that their culls who were considered too slow for trialing were sold to hunters. He was a brace beagler through and through but not brace as you see it today. He tried his best to bring the brace beagle back from the walky talky dog it is today but even he could not convince the ribbon chasers to follow the standard that HE wrote. If you are accusing me of taking Lew Maddens position on many things I'll have to agree with you but I am not now nor have I ever been a trialer. Always been a hunter. And as a hunter I know that just because a faulty hound action doesn't appear in many field trial rule books doesn't mean it's not a faulty hound action. It happens to appear in the AKC one only because it was written by one of the greatest all time beaglers.
Swining was well known by many hunters to be a faulty hound action long before the AKC standard was written. It's still recognized as such to this day by many hunters myself included obviously and for the exact reasons I gave in my last post.
When the brace beagle went slow lots of people dropped out of the AKC but people were dropping out long before that even L.M. Watson dropped out of trials in the 1910's or 20's I beleive in disgust. When so many stopped registering their hunting hounds it was a great loss for all of us. Some of the vary best hounds are grade hounds.
Cold Line (trail) : The faint scent when minutes or hours old according to the scenting conditions.
Under those descriptions I can assure you that there are vary many people who have hounds who are not cold trailers.
John: Don't need to convince me that your hounds, though they may swing some, are also capable of running down a rabbit. I beleive you on that point fully. Remember as I said before all hounds have faults, that's not the issue; but rather we've been discussing whether or not a fault is a fault.
IN the old days when Lew Madden was a brace trialer the brace hounds were known to be fast. So fast in fact that their culls who were considered too slow for trialing were sold to hunters. He was a brace beagler through and through but not brace as you see it today. He tried his best to bring the brace beagle back from the walky talky dog it is today but even he could not convince the ribbon chasers to follow the standard that HE wrote. If you are accusing me of taking Lew Maddens position on many things I'll have to agree with you but I am not now nor have I ever been a trialer. Always been a hunter. And as a hunter I know that just because a faulty hound action doesn't appear in many field trial rule books doesn't mean it's not a faulty hound action. It happens to appear in the AKC one only because it was written by one of the greatest all time beaglers.
Swining was well known by many hunters to be a faulty hound action long before the AKC standard was written. It's still recognized as such to this day by many hunters myself included obviously and for the exact reasons I gave in my last post.
When the brace beagle went slow lots of people dropped out of the AKC but people were dropping out long before that even L.M. Watson dropped out of trials in the 1910's or 20's I beleive in disgust. When so many stopped registering their hunting hounds it was a great loss for all of us. Some of the vary best hounds are grade hounds.
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MSBEAGLER
PRIVATE@AOL
Debate still going? Ran my 5 pups with one older dog, they did great by my standards and isn't this what this discussion is really about everyone has there own standards and interpertation of what and what not a fault may be. 
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ACOMEAU
Cold Trail
Thats what I like about you Joe, no matter what the odds, no matter who the oposition is, no matter what, you stand by it!
acomeau: Here is the decription I learned long ago of cold trailing : Opening on an old scent usually made the previous night or hours earlier.
Cold Line (trail) : The faint scent when minutes or hours old according to the scenting conditions.
You are saying the same thing Joe. Old scent is old scent. If scenting conditions are good, scent can linger for hours, but fades. On a real tough scent day, the scent in a minute old track is camparable to the scent left on the good day thats hours old. Its not really that important though, but if anyone out there has dogs that can open on scent left the previous night, send them to me.
acomeau: Here is the decription I learned long ago of cold trailing : Opening on an old scent usually made the previous night or hours earlier.
Cold Line (trail) : The faint scent when minutes or hours old according to the scenting conditions.
You are saying the same thing Joe. Old scent is old scent. If scenting conditions are good, scent can linger for hours, but fades. On a real tough scent day, the scent in a minute old track is camparable to the scent left on the good day thats hours old. Its not really that important though, but if anyone out there has dogs that can open on scent left the previous night, send them to me.
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desertdog/tom
sounds about right, iuse to go to a club with a old guy then. them guys gave me some auful good dogs, cause they out ran the oter dogs so bad. i was just a snoty nose kid back thenand can"t tell you if they ran right or not but i sure got a lot of fun out of them. thank for the info. joe. friend in sport tom.
Bev: It's the other way around you don't want to be near me when i eat beans. I gave einstein the idea for the A bomb. Now I could tell you exactly why that is but there just isn't enough room here.
Acomeau: I know it sounds like splitting hairs but it's really not. I put a lot of thought into those little things like that and there really is a big difference. All hounds can smell the old lines left hours ago but most don't open on them. That doesn't sound like much but it really is important.
Acomeau: I know it sounds like splitting hairs but it's really not. I put a lot of thought into those little things like that and there really is a big difference. All hounds can smell the old lines left hours ago but most don't open on them. That doesn't sound like much but it really is important.
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desertdog/tom
joe, i probley hung around there[ daybrack beagle club vancover washton] till about 1965 or66. they were still running peanut pushers then . joe i can"t say it was"t fun to watch them it was,. heck i even intered acouple runs[excuss the term] and won,novic jr. derby. i thought i was really doing something the way my dog ran off andl left them in there peanut shells. but they really just wanted me to pick up my dog so theres could do there thing they did"nt want to hurt a kids feelings. at less it was a start for me . things have really changed for us that have been around this game . friend in sport tom
