line of dogs known for extreme hunt

[Steve C.]

Hatteras Bob, there are some who say that running pups under 5 months or so can do long term damage to their growth and developing bones. I'm not sure that this true but believe there is likely at least a grain of truth to it. Starting pups of course, is one thing- running them hard is another. The only promising pup I ever ruined was a six month old that I ran hard nearly every day. The dog was outstanding for his age and like yours, was rabbit crazy. One day I ran him about 8 hours and he suddenly just walked out of the woods. Quit, plain and simple. Never ran again. Now, maybe he would have been a quitter anyway if I hadn't pushed him so hard but I don't believe it- all his littermates turned out fine. I don't even try to start pups under 5 or 6 months anymore- nothing to gain and possibly something to lose. Some of the harder and slower starting hounds I've had soon caught up with the early starters and often surpassed them. Everyone's experience varies but I reserve their first few months for yard training and handling. Never saw any correlation between age of starting and amount of hunt.

[HatterasBob]

Steve, That's were we differ, I do see a correlation between starting early and hunt. Not to say that a dog must start early to have hunt, but in my mind starting early results in more hunt then average, therefore starting late produces less hunt then average. Just my opinion and that's what I do. I doubt that starting and running pups has any long term effect on them as long as it is moderation. Isn't that the secret to life, MODERATION?

[KentuckyWildcatKennels]

Personally hatteras... in my book, u are wrong, but differnt ppl have different styles of raising a pup

[gus]

I don't think there is any correlation between when a pup starts and his overall potential. I start all mine at an early age. Some will hunt and jump and some won't. Some pups at three to four months will naturally jump into briars and brush before they know there is such things as rabbits. Others, the only way you could get them into a briar patch is physically throw them in. If they don't like briars, they immediately search for the most pain free path out and will be back in the trail beside you as quickly as possible.

I've seen pups that could run through a briar batch and seem to never get pricked by a briar. Others, as soon as they stick their head in, an ear gets caught and they start screaming. I suppose some just have tougher skin and higher pain thresholds. An early starting age will not make a dog tougher.

In answer to the original question, Ranger Dan is one line of Hare bred dogs that seem to handle the briars very well. A friend has a Ranger Dan bitch and a couple of pups by Top Gun Tyke that are tough enough to rout a bunny out of the thickest briars. I have a male pup that is by Berpauls Mac, with Dan and Mr T on the bitch side, that shows no fear of briars. He is too young to know if he will be a natural jump dog but he seems to have the inclination. I will have to wait until he has the experience to see if he is productive.

Gay bred dogs that were bred by Frank Reese were tough skinned dogs that had no reluctance to hit the brush and would jump their share of rabbits.

[voodoo]

THIS IS A VERY INTERESTING SUBJECT,I HAVE SAW MOST IF NOT ALL OF THESE BLOOD LINES RUN ,AND HUNT THEY ARE ALL GOOD IN DIFFERENT WAYS I BREED OFF T REX AND NORTH WAY SPUR ,HAVE OWNED SOME GAY BRED DOGS AS WELL AS PATCH HAVE BEEN TO SEVERAL OF THE TRIALS I ENJOY ALL OF IT . I KNOW HAVE T-REX ,NORTHWAY SPUR ,PAYCHECK ,SNAPPS .AND BRANKO BLOOD IN MY KENNEL.BUT ONE DOG DOES NOT MAKE A BLOOD LINE BUT IT CAN HAVE A GREAT IMPACT IF USED RIGHT OR WRONG.I HAVE DOGS THAT ARE 3 GENERATIONS DEEP PINE MT BUT I STILL DON'T HAVE A BLOOD LINE I SUGGEST YOU FIND A DOG TOU LIKE BREED OFF IT TO THE SAME KIND IT IS ABOUT THE BEST WAY TO BE HAPPY.
KEEP'EM
RUNNING PINE MT BEAGLES

[JIMMIE ABSHIRE]

t-rex is no longer breeding,i have a male that his mother is 3-4 quater breed t-rex i would suggest t-rex primarely for consistant hunt[/quote]

[wvduece]

i start taking my pups out as soon as they are old enuf to follow me around n not get lost most of the time they will play for awhile then start to explore different things n gradually start going out a lil farther each time n tstart to go with my other dogs then all of a sudden i start to hear strange barks in my pack my pups will start when their ready not when im ready i never use a starting pen i start all my pups in the wild on wild cottontails n dont seem to have no problems YET i done this for several years with no bad results jb