line of dogs known for extreme hunt

[MIKE]

WHO OWNS " INDIAN OUTLAW" " BLUE BARRY" " BLUE BOY" NOW.
I HAVE A NINJA BITCH I MAY BE INTERESTED IN BREEDING.
MIKE

[merv]

Copperking- No im not kidding. Maybe you should go look at some Branko Hounds hunt and im not talking about your 1 female that has some Branko way back in her pedigree. I guess if your female doesnt have a lot of hunt it must be the Branko way back in the pedigree thats holding her back. Dude give me a break. I have hunted with at least 25 dogs that were no less than half Branko and they would hunt to the death. Sorry about your female not having anyhunt. As far as her running the snot out of a rabbit that is definately the Branko way back in her pedigree.

[beaglehandler]

MIKE: THIS IS ALL THE INFO I HAVE ON THE FOLLOWING DOGS.

BLUE BARRY: OWNER BILL MCLAREN 1-978-430-6660
OUTLAW OWNER DEAN STOWELL 1-518-568-3075
BUCKEYE OWNER KELLY BASHAM 1-419-221-0524
SIMBA OWNER VIC COSTANZA 1-315-895-7514
ALADIN OWNER VIC COSTANZA 1-315-895-7514

THERE IS ALSO ANOTHER DOG NAMED TIP TOE TICKER THAT I HAVE NO INFO ON AT ALL. IF ANYONE WOULD KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS DOG PLEASE POST IT.

MIKE I HAVE HEARD THAT BARRY IS IN KY RIGHT NOW STANDING STUD AT FARREL SMITH'S PLACE, WHICH IS ALOT CLOSER THAN DRIVING TO MASS. ALSO I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN A PUP OUT OF A CROSS WITH ANY OF THESE DOG. ANDY R SMITH gertysbeagles1@netzero.com

[briarshaker]

Boys you can pick any breed you want to. But if you research you'r dogs pedigree back you will see. that every one of them. Branko's, To Me, Patch,Kingwood, even your brace dogs has the basic dogs some where in there pedigree. Its not the blood line that makes or takes away there hunt its the way different people has breed them. And the way they run dogs. You can take a dog from a line with great hunt. But if when you are starting him you jump every rabbit for him he will depend on you instead of hunting. Solo you young dogs make them work to find there own rabbit.If they don.t have hunt then It might be your blood line. Been more good dogs messed up by the owner than the blood line. I've heard of blood lines that you did not need to solo but never seen one. My son on his frist beagle good blood line. But whene starting him jumped rabbits for him. Could run a rabbit as good as any dog i ever seen. But as soon as it holed he would come back and set at his feet. He would look up at him like find me another one boss. Our dogs are smarter than we give them credit for.

[Bopeye]

I think you make a valid point Joey.

[HatterasBob]

Now I'm going to get controversal!!!! For the last year, I've had a starting pen. I've been starting my pups as early as 10 weeks old. I have a litter right now that are 10 weeks old and one of them is absolutely rabbit crazy! Two others have started and 1 has some interest, but the runt has no interest. ALL and I mean ALL of the young pups that I've started young in the past year have extreme hunt. Never and I mean never at you feet from 12 weeks on. They are in the bushes looking for rabbits. I've bought several hare dogs from up north (Canada mostly) and I've had about a 50% sucess rate in getting them to hunt well for cottontails. Not one of these well breed often FC hare dogs hunts as well as any of the pups I've started at 10 weeks, in the past year. Not one! Half of them do hunt fairly well. One won't go into a briar bush, has only jumped one rabbit that I've seen, she is full Branko. Her litter sister was exactly the same way but she has come around and hunts well now. Well I like starting pups young, so that's what I'm going to do. Very fews things give me as much joy as watching 12 weeks old pups pound bunnies.

[BILL HALL]

COTTONTAIL DOGS SEEM TO START QUICKER THAN HARE DOGS MY EXPERIENCE IS THE COTTONTAIL STRAINS MATURE QUICKER. i HAVE HAD THEM ALL YOU SAY YOU DIDNT HAVE ANY SUCCESS WITH A FC HARE DOG THAN YOU DIDNT TRY LAKE OGEMAW CASEY BREEDING THESE DOGS CAN RUN EITHER WHEN THEY COME ON STRONG LOOK OUT THEY ARE TOUGH I HAVE BRED AND TRIED ALOT I LIKE A DOG TO COME ON SLOW I HAVE HAD LESS TRASH PROBLEMS I DONT KNOW WHY . I HAVE TWO PUPS OUT OF CASEY BRED DOGS THEY ARE HUNTING FOOLS THEY ARE 8 MONTHS AND GIVING MY SOCK IT TO ME DOG ALL HE CAN HANDLE. THE SOCK IT TO ME STARTED QUICKER BUT LEVELED OUT MORE I DO FEEL THAT THESE PUPS WILL BE BETTER IN THE LONG RUN AND THEY LOVE THE BRIARS

[Farwest]

HatterasBob, wouldn't you think the fact that these hare hounds have only hunted hare for the first 3 or 4 years of their life would have something to do with the way they hunt cottontails? Hare live in totally different woods and jump more easily then cottontails. Hare typically don't live in briars so why would the hounds look for them there?
I compare it to a person that hunted whitetail their whole life and then decided to hunt elk. How successful do you think they would be if they used the same method?

[briarshaker]

Have a 5year [hare hound] Double Northway Driver bred. Was bred in vermont [Roy Kenndy]. Was ran on hare all his life. Got him last June from Paul Kormeny. Full litter to Brier Patch Black Willow Better Beagling 2002 15" female of the year. Every hunt i have entered him in people has comented on his hunt. this is a 5 year old hare hound with 9 months cottontail experence. If a dog has the brains he can figure out where he needs to be to find game. As i stated in a previous post they all go back to the same begining. His goes back to yellow creek and wier creek. Check back in your dogs 10th to 12th generation. have even traced it back as far as the inports from england. Back as far as the mid 1800.

[Farwest]

Briarshaker , I agree with you and Hatterasbob in the fact the way hounds are trained can effect the amount of hunt they show. I also agree that if a hound has intelligence they should be able to figure out were to find game.
I am just not sure about your points "check back in your hounds 10th or 12 generation" and "Its not the blood line that makes or takes away there hunt its the way different people has breed them.
I think these two statements kind of contradict each other.

[briarshaker]

Yea far west got on my soap box and got a little carried away. dont much care for a dog with no hunt. I just seen my son joey ruin a good dog when he frist got into beagles. But at the time he did not know any thing about them. But he learned from that mistake. Probly made him a better beagler.

[MDH68]

When I am training a pup. I go to a area with lots of rabbits. I kick brush and walk through the thick stuff. Trying to get a rabbit up. When I see a rabbit bust out from the brush. I stand near were the I saw the rabbit. I dont point the track out or call the pup to it. I let the pup find the scent on his own.Most young pups will be near you and milling around. They usually will find the scent.

Mike

[laal]

I think training has a LOT to do with how a dog hunts... I also bet that 90% of the good hunting dogs that ya'll have been talking about have F.C. Fish Creek Andy in there pedigre. I know that is a long way back but I have seen the hunt Andy has passed down.

Name the dogs above with good hunt thad does not have Andy in there ped.

[KentuckyWildcatKennels]

This is just my opinion, but i believe that how a dog turns out depends around 75 percent of it is what it's out of, and the other 30 percent depends on YOU and what YOU decide to do to train it... but thats just me... so whatever works for you is what i say. But i dont think you should start a pup any earlier than like 5 months old because of the fact of it might not have the hang of the whole deal yet and it could very well make it start cutting and not run the track...

[HatterasBob]

Wildcat, Have you ever started a pup earlier then 5 months old? If not, then how can you comment on what they will do! In all honesty, the traditional method of starting pups, take them into the wild with a slower broke dog requires a older most full grown pup, but using starting pens with alot of rabbits for them to find can be done at a much earlier age. Some breeds will not start early, but many will and I think it adds incredible hunt. On the other hand, older pups out grow a pen very quickly. They get pen wise, they learn were the rabbits run and begin looking there instead of trailing them. They are too fast and will catch San Juans and kill them, while young pups will not kill a San Juan. I've got 10 week old pups right now that are rabbit crazy. I wish I had some wild San Juans in my pen, I would film it and show you. My does will have litters in a week or two.

Farwest, exactly my point! I firmly believe that dogs introduced to briars later in life don't have much love for them. While, pups that grew up in briars don't know any different.

Just my thoughts and what I've learned