Progressive America

[Newt]

If you put any credibility to what Hillary says, here is her stated opinion on Trump a couple of years ago.
It's a WikiLeaks speech from Goldman Sachs... appears to be a Q&A after the speech.



“I think he has a lot to offer to this country and its people, especially when we’re talking about the economy,” she continued. “Donald Trump has single-handedly helped stop the recession, more so than dozens of other so-called billionaires. And I don’t know how the experts on the matter feel, but in my book that’s hard evidence of the man’s business prowess and integrity, as well. And I think everyone would agree those are commendable character traits for anyone looking to tackle the most difficult problems and challenges in the world, quite literally.”

“So, yes – Donald Trump is someone I could very easily see winning the support of the people. And I don’t think he would do that with his flammable rhetoric and negotiation skills – which are both things he’s known for – but with common sense and respect for his fellow countrymen. But, most of all – I think his relationship with the opposite sex would bring him the most political points. I think he respects women and treats them as equals and I also think that would bring him a significant lead over anyone unlucky enough to be running against him,” Hillary ominously concluded in her 2013 speech."


Was she lying then or lying now? Its difficult to tell which face she is wearing today.

That is the person we want with their hands on the "Red Button" or selecting supreme court justices, I think not.

[Rabbithoundjb]

so Pabst how many millions of dollars did buffet's secretary invest in the economy because that's how he gets those write offs/tax breaks.

[cris axtell/coal hill ken]

Pabtsman I don't know who your Dr is. But doctors no longer hand out narcotic pain meds for pain. Nether do ERs. The ER tells you to go to your Dr. Then he sends you to a neurologist who sends you to physical therapy and pain managent who makes you sign an agreement saying that they can call you to come in to count your pills and give you a drug test. You have 24hrs to comply. If they find you are not in compliance they take your pills from you.

[Newt]

Pabst sounds like an intelligent guy who is in his first election cycle and gets his news and political education from CNN.
Who in his right mind wouldn't like to have citizens eat healthy, work out daily, and do the right thing. Unfortunately, we are dealing with folks, many just don't give a darn.
In regards to poverty, I once ran across a copy of a newspaper printed in England in the 18th or 19th Century. They had the same problems on how to deal with poor people back then as we do today.
In regards to folks getting sick without health insurance soon going bankrupt. Giving folks free stuff with no self responsibility, has bankrupted our nation.
Example, under Obama the free stuff exploded and so did our national debt. Gov't employees can be lumped under "Free Stuff" IMO.
Imagine if you made a graph of the national debt and covered it with a graph of free stuff by the government they would follow similar lines.
I don't remember national debt being a problem until Johnson started his great Society to end poverty coupled with the foolish endeavor to be the worlds policeman. Too many defence contractor and too many poverty pimps.

[bluemouse]

Biggest problem we have today is people living in a instant gratification world. Hum spend a hour cooking a home cook healthy meal or roll through Micky dees and getting a heart attack in a sack. Would you like to make that order a large.

[Rabbithoundjb]

Pabst you don't answer questions you are asked but hey I'll answer a couple or so of yours. W. left office debt was roughly 10 TRILLION, Obama is at roughly 19 TRILLION. He has almost doubled the debt. Here is another question for you, why EXACTLY did the economy collapse in 2008.Here is another answer to one of your questions good insurance policies have healthy living deductions already. most have a wellness plan, no smoking, biometric screenings, physicals and so on. They had that before Obamacare. Again I have ask you 2 or 3 direct questions now and you have answered none of them, you just say open ended opinions about what you think without any support

[pabstman]

Mouse it is a different world, I agree. Everything is right now to everyone. The medical facilities would be begging for patients if we were a lot more healthy. The insurance companies are doing fine because they have to much control. We messed up years ago when we let health insurance companies become for profit. I think was around Nixon presidency. Correct me if I'm wrong.
How can we regulate the pricing for the insurance premiums?
We all need insurance but why does the premiums keep going up?
We insure people that wasn't insurable before because that is the right thing to do. We have enough healthy people that the numbers should work out, if these medical facilities didn't have the rates jacked through the roof.
If we as the people decide to make a change and become healthier and teach our young people that there is outdoors and not only video games and computers. (nothing ticks me off more than seeing an obese child).
The facilities pricing will lower.
Need honest CEO's of insurance companies with morally correct contracts in place that say we have pricing in place that is agreed on. Regardless of medical condition, race, anything. We see the patients all the same for the fair and agreed price. I know I am long winded with this but. There seems to me when it comes to money and for profit there is not a moral compass that comes into play.
Explain this to me...You have a medical device salesman that approaches a surgeon and says hey Doc, you use x amount of this product and we will get you big bonus at the end of the year. Does that not seem like a conflict of interest? Who monitors this Doc to see if this product he continually uses is even necessary. Wow, look at the wasted money. We as the premium payers just suffered. The medical facility is enjoying cause the revenue...The Doc is happy about the big bonus...The salesman is happy his sales are great....Wasted cost/Greed! Nothing wrong with making a good living and making it honestly. But pay your fair share along the way.

[pabstman]

Rabbit hound to you. The healthcare savings incentives you speak of I never seen implemented much until the healthcare reform rolled out, I'm not sure if they were something until then.
The collapse was due to predatory lending. Giving home loans to people that couldn't afford them. Wallstreet(Banks) had less regulation and could do as they pleased and pounced at the opportunity. Homeownership was a way to financial security and a big fat lie and the way the banks could call the loans and the rates would sky rocket was wrong.
I bought my house when I was 18. No money down, uneducated, worked hard but bought a home on one of these loans but got lucky I educated myself and refinanced before i got caught. I had a wife and new born baby girl with no money management skills at all. We got lucky. We had rough times and made it through but could only imagine how other people felt when there loan was called. It was wrong you know and so do I. Many same out there like me that didn't have anyone to teach me and say no you don't need to buy a home so young and definitely don't buy it on an adjustable rate with no money down. Thank god I was one of the lucky ones. Just until about 6 years ago I realized I would never out work my ignorance and needed to educate myself on how life and money works.
Started reading and learning. Unfortunately there are many more people out there like me that need help. I just want to be honest and do the right thing. That's why I am here now on this board typing this stuff and reading. To learn and grow and understand better. I'm no better than any of you guys. Liberal or conservative, Democrat or republican. I have my views of who I think would be better suited for President and you have yours. I am not going to close my eyes and ears and not listen. If you have valid points to sway how I feel on a subject that is what I consider growing. I enjoy the discussions guys. Lets just all keep an open mind....

[bluemouse]

First off pabstman you have the right to say no to any doctor and get a second opinion,You can not turn the tv on without seeing a class action law suit against drug companies or for defective medical devices companies. So there are checks and balances in place. Then there are life saving drugs that people need. It takes millions to develop and regulations to follow. So if you think you are living in a world where all things are equal you need to go take a cool shower in the snow.

[pabstman]

"It takes millions to develop and regulations to follow."
Mouse I understand what you are saying. Regulations is the key word...

[Rabbithoundjb]

That was a good post Pabst, now I know you have some idea of what you are talking about. Now which party put you in that situation, which party passed the subprime lending deregulation. We are getting somewhere now. This election is an easy choice Pabst if you intend to vote and you have any morals or ethics or patriotism about you, which it seems you do. On one hand you have a spoiled, rich, privileged brat who has taken full advantage of the laws. On the other hand you a spoiled, rich, privileged, evil person who has repeatedly broken the laws and believes she is above the law. Easy choice if your voting, no one should be able to stomach voting for a proven criminal.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

Pabstman,

You are trying to have a discussion with,people who live in the 1600,,these Republicans who post here,don't believe in America hate the Bill of Rights,and don't Believe in the Constitution .

These are just facts. They have no morals and are lost Reprobates,

Just look at this Election,,,

Take Hillary out of the race don't vote for A Democrat for President,,,

Here is what you have,left.Trump. ,,You cannot vote for Trump unless you are a Racist a Bigot and a Hippocrit ,a Thief who want pay people who does work for you.
He has a long history of Sexual Abuse ,has a trial in December Wher he Raped a 13- year old Girl,
Then you have the Fake Trump University the Fake Trump Foundation,that has been proven to nothing more than a money laundry for the Mob.
The Trump Modeling Agency that has been fined for bringing under age Girls from Ukraine etc .and Pimping them out as escorts.
3400 People have lawsuits against trump for not paying them these are small business owners.
He is a Born Racist his Father took him to KKK cross burnings ,he belongs to the KKK,The White Supremist organization.
He has been a conman all his life.TAKING FROM ANYONE HE COMES IN CONTACT WITH.

And that is what you are if you vote for him,you have to live with it .

Now Before you Republican Thugs start telling me about Clinton go back to what I said don't vote for a Democrat take Hillary out. I don't want to hear your lies and crap about Clinton I am not voting for her.

And Remember,,
In 2008 America was losing 850,000 Jobs every 30 days ,,the Auto Industry was Basically gone,,The Housing Market had Crashed.The Stock Market had Crashed and Bush/ Cheney gave the Banks 800 Milliln to keep them from failing.

All that has turned around and Jobs are being created every month ,in fact the longest record of job creation on record,and the middle and low income families have been making more money,and the income inequality gap has actually narrowed some for the first time.The Stock Market is setting Recorc highs people's Retirements are secure again,like 401-K's.

And you guys want to sit around and whin about this that and what ever,

BUT,REMEMBER THAT YOU GOT,,EVERY THING ROMNEY ,PROMISED YOU AND MUCH MORE ,,LIKE MORE JOBS,LOWER GAS PRICES ETC.,,, ,SO BASICALLY YOU GUYS WOULD NOT HAVE LIKED ROMNEY,OR MCCAIN EITHER,,,RIGHT.,,IN FACT YOU GUYS DONT LIKE ANYTHING ,,,YOU JUST LIKE TO ,,,,,HATE.

REPUBLICANS ,,GREATEST FEAR IS HEALTHY AND EDUCATED AMERICANS,,,,

[Rabbithoundjb]

I have destroyed those same lies so many times, you are such a waste of time. Yes you will vote for Clinton because you want your tax payer funded check to keep rolling in.

[pabstman]

Rabbithound i would have liked to see casich than Trump not sure how trump got the nod. Casich was everything you all should have wanted. Would be a closer race right now. Statistics dont lead to a chance for trump. We will vote and see what happens. I enjoy the conversation. Keep it up guys.

[pabstman]

Newt to you, if I had cable or satellite I might dabble a little with a few news channels but not an option. Probably not CNN. I look to middle of the road common sense un biased media coverage. Takes a lot peeling layers back to get through all the crap. I can post a blog myself, give myself a significant title. Next guy reads it and its fact. Crazy how naïve people are. Read a article in the local paper not that long ago dragging some politician through the mud and come to find out the lady who wrote it was on the staff of the opponent she was writing about. Some co workers read it and they were riding it like it was the best thing since sliced bread till I presented the facts. I don't recall the names or hardly even what it was about but it turned out funny after the fact...gotta watch what you read and who is writing it