training pups

[bluetick]

would like to know if anyone uses this deer breaking method on their pups. wrap a hot fence wire around scent rag for the pups to smell and the fence hits them when they get close to smell it.any info is appreciated.

[Red Briar Kennels]

I've never used that method personally, but have heard of that before. I suppose whatever you could do to make the dog associate the smell of deer with something unpleasant would work. I've heard of several ways guys use,.....some seem pretty extreme. Myself, I like to use an e-collar when and if they should take off on a deer. We start/train alot of dogs here for people, and actually we have very few deer chases. But when we do, the collar really seems to work out well. We've had very good long term success with using this method.

- Steve

[TickedDog]

I have used the hot fence method before. I usually take a gland off of a fresh killed deer wrap it around the fence they take a sniff and get a jolt. I only do this however once they are started a little on rabbits and using their nose descent. I figure that you should let them know from the start that deer scent equals bad things. However this will not automaticly deer proof a dog. I still use e-collars on my young dogs. But I think its good that they get a shock from something other than the collar sometimes. I have had dogs get collar smart and only run off game when they didn't have a collar on.

[sgc]

I use the fence charger method on any pups that I raise. Its probably best to get the back deer leg glands from a fresh deer, but I usually buy them from Bill Boatman. I don't think it automatically makes a dog deer proof, but I think it makes them a lot easier to keep off of deer later. The time to use this method is when they're 3 to 4 months old. I believe this is when it has the best & most lasting effect on them. I don't bother with this method if I buy a dog older than this. I start out by letting the pup go to different treats I have hanging from a wire, when I let it out. They get so that when I let them out they run straight to this wire & pull the various treats off of it. Then one day I wrap the deer gland in the wire & hook it up to the fence charger. This may be overkill, but after they get zapped, the pup usualy looks to me and I growl at the gland & back away quick, etc. Later I start hanging treats again & then still later I hang the deer gland again. Its surprising, but most pups only get zapped once. I also think running the young pup later only with dogs that don't run deer is very important. They learn when the older dog ignores the scent to ignore it too. I guess what I'm saying is that its a process I go thru, not just the fence charger method.

[bluetick]

thanks for info guys still would like some reports of anyone that has used the deer scent. kinda hard to get deer legs this time of year in the south.

[sgc]

??? Why buy the deer scent when you can buy the actual deer glands from Bill Boatman ??? Then come in a container.

[mn_beagleboy]

Why waste money on deer gland when you can save that money and get yourself a shock collar. Put the shock collar on and take them out to a park that has a lot of deer. Walk the dog to the deer and unleash the dog so the dog will chase the deer. If the dog chase the deer, hitted hard. If the dog smells it but doesn't open, hit him meadium. If the dog refuse to chase and come back to you, don't hit the dog at all.
After a few sessions and the dog refuse to chase the deer, take the dog out with a young dog that has not been deer broke and if your deer broke dog chase deer with the young dog, burn both of them hard. This method has work very well. Now, I have two dogs that if they smell deer, they will tuck their tails and run under my feet. The problem with trash breaking is not fun because you take away your running time to go and trash broke your dog, but it will pays off when you go out hunting and watch your buddy looking for their dog because their dogs have ran out of shocking range. I have never seen a trash proof bloodline but I have seen many trash broke dogs. I think 95% of all beagles can be deer broke if the handler willing to spent the time. You can spend all the time using deer glands and deer scent, but the best way is the real thing. If it refuse to go after deer gland, you cannot guaranteed that it will not sight chase a deer.

Beagleboy

[windy hollow]

I have heard of many many ways to break a hound, but just getting freshly started pups lots of rabbits, will give you the edge of them never getting on a deer. Just My