Gearing Down Or Cold Trailing ?

[Budd]

Hare Chaser,Budd & others You guys got any experience with the Buckshot Mr Bill blood ??? I just got a dog with a good bit of his blood in it

Nope, have always want to try a tight line bred Mr Bill dog, not a dog that just has it watered down 3 generations back. For me to make a judgment call on a certain line I would want to raise a whole litter of them, not just A pup.

[Hare Chaser]

I do not. I believe the original owner of Mr. Bill was a fellow from Waterbury,VT area. There is a fellow from Maine that has line bred Mr. Bill blood for several generations. Heard a lot about the dog though. Supposedly he had a huge nose and was a line runner on the more conservative side.

http://www.baldwinhillkennels.com

[gwyoung]

Outrider, I have seen Bill run. Very good hound. I bred to Bill in the early 1990's. Sent you a PM

[outrider66]

thanks guys ! I'm not sure I would have any use for a line bred mr bill dog but I think a little will be good for what I'm trying to do !

[warddog]

wardog, I think what some have been looking for has been right in font of them all along, Dog food. If I remember correctly you may have even touched on that subject before. It seems as if the knowledgeable never put out anything new. Actually they have been giving us answers all along. It is ridiculous to put forth any theory or idea that isn't based on dog food. Dog over-running 75 yards on the check and can't compete at the trials, try the orange bag. Dog NOT over-running 75 yards at the check and can't compete at the trials, try the lamb and rice formula. backtracking? have you tried Victor, if that is what you are currently feeding try pride. Dog cold trailing , try raw! You may have to try several different brands or a mixture of formulas/ brands, but I am sure that dog food is the solution. I think you may be of the opinion that all dog foods are the same, it can't be ! Too many solutions provided by dog food. That is why this board is known as the dog food board, Which is a good thing.

Oh NO, not me, you must have me confused with someone else. Yes, gw you are right, I have posted on here quite a bit in my 14 years of being on this forum but I don't recall much about dog food other than sayin I feed the best bang for my buck regardless of what it is. Heck I even fed raw here awhile back when I bought a 10 pound bag of frozen chicken leg quarters, sat them out to thaw so I could cut them into legs, thighs and back portions then forgot about them until they spoiled in the laundry room sink. Dogs gobbled them down like giving candy to a baby BUT guess what those clinkers still came out! I've got a led on a place that sells truck load damaged bag stuff that is supposed to be cheaper than what I have been paying per bag for a pallet and if I can get it I will try it to see what it is. I know my dogs will be doing all kinds of crazy stuff but I doubt they will be over running the feed bowls, although they may backtrack to it and open early when they see me coming before the feed is jumped, I mean dumped, I suspect they will be able to compete with the best of them in the feed in clinkers out bowl.

[gwyoung]

wardog, That is funny right there, thanks. I am currently working with different brands/ formulation's myself. My hounds all run with their heads up grabbing air scent and then drop their heads when they have to or want to, heck I don't know why they do it. I would like for them to just run with their heads down and be done with it! I know dog food is the answer, I just don't know what brand to try, or If I should just go 100 percent raw. I currently feed 90 percent raw and I have fed purina pro-plan and dog chow exclusively at times in the past and they still done it. I am thinking about a Diamond / Victor blend but am worried that it may cause them to backtrack. I am sure every dog is different and I will just have to put the time in.

[RDN61]

So glad I found this post. Maybe you guys can help me. I have a young male out of Staten's Blue Samurai and a Proper Baron and Eyer's Geneo bred female. now here is my problem, He will hit a line and run 50 to 100 yards or more before his pack mates can smell the rabbit even when they do they have a hard time staying with him. Now that is not fun to me I want my pack to run together. So what should I feed him to slow him down or should I feed the others something different. I feed pride now if that helps. I was hoping GW could help.

[outrider66]

RDN61 I think your problem may be heredity ! I would suggest switching to sport mix dog food , if that don't work ? try soloing that dog maybe he will be easier
on your pack ! as always jmoa ! hope that helps

[RDN61]

If I solo him wouldn't he get even faster? they can't catch him now. They all start out together they just can't smell the rabbit as good as he can.

[outrider66]

hmmm! I got the same problem as you ! (heredity) I feed Dads Dog food ! I wouldn't mind seeing if mine can catch up with yours sometime ! out at tri valley !

[RDN61]

Ok Brian we will have to do that.

[outrider66]

OK! sounds good I would like to brace rider with something that has some nuts this spring . I will check with ya before I go back to work. or anytime you want too

[adirondackjoe]

one of my dogs can run the track were the rabbit THINKS he's gonna go. runs it BE FOR the rabbit gets there. ha! beat that.

[outrider66]

I got that beat ! mine can run a rabbit were its never been ! Backwards !

[rabbitatfarm]

Interesting post. I have four litter mates two males two females. Only one of my males "opens early." But they all open when they hit scent. I have seen them track a rabbit over an old railroad grade that was basically small stones. Today, the early opening male opened and jumped a rabbit. He carried the line 3/4 of the time. Even after he overran it, and another dog picked it up, he still got to the front. The dam is a line bred Bredemeier dog and the sire is a local with a patch background. I wouldn't part with any of them. Two are LP R Champs and one is half way there. We run in everything, except extreme heat and humidity, from deep snow to dry.

Larry