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Well, I certainly wish that right now I had at least four good puppies to sell because I have some great homes BEGGING for pups. These people don't take NO for an answer and I have to keep explaining how I am not Mother Nature, LOL.
I am going to start charging my breeder friends commision on all the pups I sell for them (referals) while I wait on my bitch to decide to come into season (...month 8...).
BTW, if you are a supporting member of the National Beagle Club (@$30.00 a year) you can be put on the Breeder Referal List on their website. I get a lot of puppy inquiries that way. Another great website is Breeders.net... I must get inquiries from that one every other day although most of those folks are interested in paying $500.00 or less.... If you sell puppies it is certainly worth the annual fees to belong!
Cindy
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Cindy,
How about sending those people who won't take no for an answer my way. If they have 1000 bucks burning a hole in their pocket to own a beagle pup I will help them out. What the heck, if their dumb enough to spend it I might as well be smart enough to take it! And no strings attached!
NYH
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Cindy that is so funny yet so true. I have had people actually get upset with me becasue of the wait time. Or even better, they were waiting for a female and had a litter of all males so the guy waiting for 6 months got his before they got theirs and they were waiting over a year.
I use to laugh over this all the time, what else could I do, I was going to do more breeding just to satisfy them, if they wanted the pup from a certain sire and dam, then they had to wait.
There seems to be allot of hostility over this topic, breeders being burnt, yikes
NYHillbilly, get off the computer and go do some studying
Hey you guys I posted how I get all my puppy inquires so that YA'ALL can go get your kennels listed on those sights and start selling some pups.....get your own piece of the pie
NY Hillbilly, it sounds like you are in a PRIME location to make some nice money selling puppies to yuppies. For whatever it is worth, they usually do not want showdogs but they do want dogs that "look" like showdogs....and don't we all, field or show, get some awful cute tri-colored pups? So if you just keep aspiring to produce nice looking hounds (that can run a rabbit for you) you may find you can get a nice chunk of change to spend on your kennels by doing business with those families. The puppies usually get a nice life too
I really need to bow out of this thread as we leave for NY in a few days to show Honey at Westminster. No, we will not be on TV because we will not win......most likely a male will take Best of Variety and be shown in the Groups on TV Tuesday night. Watch for our 13" & 15" breed winners! We beaglers get two Beagles in the Hound Group!!
For anyone interested in watching the Beagle class competition on your computer (not shown on TV) it will be available on Streaming Video on Tuesday. Details can be found here: http://www.westminsterkennelclub.org/
These are some of the best show Beagles in the country so you can watch them and form your own opinions. Are they just pretty or do they look like they are "A miniature Foxhound, solid and big for his inches, with the wear-and-tear look of the hound that can last in the chase and follow his quarry to the death."
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Not knocking the NBC but why in the world would I pay $30 to sell pups when I can sell them without paying that.
I mean heck, if I bred two dogs right now, I bet you the house I could have them spoken for before the things were born and not even commercially advertise them once. I don't have great dogs either, no FC's but I bet they would sell and probably sell quick and for whatever I asked for them.
I don't need referals to sell dogs and if you have good dogs, at whatever they do, neither should anyone else, IMHO of course.
"No stronger bond exist than that between a man and his dog."
"So is it fair to assume a puppy mill uses hog wormer(Ivomec) and you show breeders use dog wormers(Heartguard,etc.)?"
First of all, I'm not a show breeder, but no, it is not fair assumption. We use "hog wormer(Ivomec)" for our dogs. A lot of show breeders I know do, too. Most puppy millers wouldn't use anything. You can breed Goldfield's Duke XII even if he's sick with worms, and if he should die, you can put the carcass out back and replace him with Goldfield's Duke XIII.
"As I said I'm not a breeder but I think I better get into it. If a show breeder can sell their culls for $400.00 to $1000.00 then I'd say there's good money to be made."
Go ahead. First, spend your $1000 for a show-quality bitch. Then you'll have to spend a great deal of money to get her finished in the show ring - that's if she finishes. You might even have to pay a professional handler to get it done, which could run you from $50-100 per entry to the ring, or upwards of $500-1000 for a weekend show. If you want to get your bitch's name out there, you'll have to spend a few hundred bucks on ads, because other show breeders aren't going to farm-out their stud-dog to just anyone, no matter what you're willing to pay as a stud fee. And you'll probably want to show her well beyond her championship to really prove her merits ("special her"), almost certainly with a professional handler. Then you can have her hips, thyroid, eyes, elbows, etc, certified by OFA. If everything turns out ok, you've got an excellent breeding candidate! Now you just need to find a good stud dog for $500-1000. And then you can have a litter every year, if you'd like (and there are no fertility issues). Don't forget about ultrasounds and x-rays to keep an eye on things during pregnancy. Then after boosters and whatnot (hopefully no breeding complications), you might keep a pup from the litter, and you might lose another to the stud kennel if that was part of the deal. Sell the rest for $400 to $1000 (and actually I know some top beagle breeders who think $800 is high, even for show-quality). Good money in the end? Ha!
None of the honest and thorough show breeders I know make any money. The ones who cut a few corners (bypass OFA, etc) make a little money, but certainly not "good money." The people who can make "good money" in the show world are the professional handlers or the very rare ones who end-up with a stud dog in huge demand (in which case they can make decent money for a few years, until the stud's popularity is oversaturated).
The people who can/do make "good money" breeding dogs do so by putting minimal expense into their dogs and breeding a heavy volume - the puppy millers. So if you want to make "good money" breeding dogs, become a puppy miller. Just watch-out for that guy on the list who wants to burn you and your mill to the ground!
Goes,
You caught me goofing off in the back of the class! I wish I had your problems folks with all these people knocking doors down to get a pup. Many times I want a couple of my own to replace older hounds of mine but am afraid to end up with more than i need or want. I guess I don't have the right connections, big enough name or LINE OF BS! I will stand my best lookers next to any show dog, drop mine in the field with anyones best field hound but I still don't have a line of folks climbing over the kennel trying to steal them or knocking me down shoving money in my pocket. This post has not turned angry, at least I don't think so. It just has me scratching my head wondering where these people come from! Oh yeah....Cindy....you cracked me up about me being in Yuppy territory....you really ought to see this place where I live. Median family income 26,000$, abandoned farms, empty factories, kids leaving as soon as they get out of school.....yeah....it's a regular cultural center! Now.... Vermont....on the other hand! Good luck at your show.....I'll be pulling for ya....I watch all the dogs shows on t.v. cause I like em.
NYH
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Boomer wrote:""As I said I'm not a breeder but I think I better get into it. If a show breeder can sell their culls for $400.00 to $1000.00 then I'd say there's good money to be made."
Go ahead. First, spend your $1000 for a show-quality bitch. Then you'll have to spend a great deal of money to get her finished in the show ring - that's if she finishes. You might even have to pay a professional handler to get it done, which could run you from $50-100 per entry to the ring, or upwards of $500-1000 for a weekend show. If you want to get your bitch's name out there, you'll have to spend a few hundred bucks on ads, because other show breeders aren't going to farm-out their stud-dog to just anyone, no matter what you're willing to pay as a stud fee. And you'll probably want to show her well beyond her championship to really prove her merits ("special her"), almost certainly with a professional handler. Then you can have her hips, thyroid, eyes, elbows, etc, certified by OFA. If everything turns out ok, you've got an excellent breeding candidate! Now you just need to find a good stud dog for $500-1000. And then you can have a litter every year, if you'd like (and there are no fertility issues). Don't forget about ultrasounds and x-rays to keep an eye on things during pregnancy. Then after boosters and whatnot (hopefully no breeding complications), you might keep a pup from the litter, and you might lose another to the stud kennel if that was part of the deal. Sell the rest for $400 to $1000 (and actually I know some top beagle breeders who think $800 is high, even for show-quality). Good money in the end? Ha!
Boomer.......You are so FOS its rolling out your eyeballs! WHat do you think it takes to make a Field Champion or IFC??? You think thats free?? I havnt seen any of them dual IFC bred hunting pups go for $1000!
Like I said.......in my opinion you show folks live in a different world!
Now back to your fantasy land.............where you spend $10,000 to raise dogs like kids but give them hog wormer to save $1! Your story holds no water with me.
Get a grip!
BTW Boomer.........How many litters did it take you to get 10-12 culls to GIVE AWAY FOR FREE???
Randy, Boomer was breeding and finishing field champions before you and I were born. I'm guessing he spends more time in the woods with a hound in a year than I do in 5 years. I don't know about you but anytime someone with his experience is willing to share it with me I will listen and try to learn something.
Tom
Tom, I try to listen and learn....and then I take what I hear and decide what I want to retain as wisdom and knowledge and what I want to dispose of. Just because I have my opinion dont mean the rest of you cant have yours
I mean no disrespect to anyone, just I have my opinion and you all have yours, thats all. If Boomer was finishing dogs before Iw as born......he should well know as much work goes into that as showing a dog. And I think a hunting dog still should be something the average guy can enjoy..so shoot me! LOL
Some people treat their dogs as a hobby as do some their horses,goat, cattle,sheep etc etc.
Others treat all of the above as a business aka make money and or a big tax write off for another side busines they have,duh.
You see klconcrete could do habiat for humanity work,read for free,or he could charge what the traffic will bear to make a living.Either choice is fine and totally his decision to make.Same applies to beagles.It is up to each and everyone to decide.
Hunt6 David P.
New York Hillbilly wrote:Cindy....you cracked me up about me being in Yuppy territory....you really ought to see this place where I live. Median family income 26,000$, abandoned farms, empty factories, kids leaving as soon as they get out of school.....yeah....it's a regular cultural center! Now.... Vermont....on the other hand! Good luck at your show.....I'll be pulling for ya....I watch all the dogs shows on t.v. cause I like em.
NYH
They will drive for two hundred miles or more for nice pups NYH. Do you have a website...even a small freebie website with a few pictures of your hounds lets folks know you are there when they do a Google search for Beagles NY.
Thanks for the good luck. We will need it on the drive out and back more than anything I am sure. We are going to the show just for fun and to see friends and maybe learn a few things. No realistic expectations of winning anything, that would just be icing
Hey, maybe "The Donald" will want one of my puppies if I tell him they start at $10,000.00 LOL!
Naw, they seem more like Shitzu people to me
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AlabamaSwamper wrote:Randy, even though I agree with some of your statements I don't understand one of them.
Are you saying you shouldn't give your dog Ivomec?
I know vets that do this and say it's the best thing.
I am not saying either way, I am not educated to answer that. I asked Doc Scott when I first got into beagles whether I should use Interceptor or Ivomec, he said Interceptor cant kill my dog and Ivomec for hogs could.....that decided it for me and here I am. I build houses, not medications......I am a carpenter, not a chemist or vet. I will let them do their jobs and they can let me do mine. Its not worth $1 a month to OD a dog I like.
What I am saying is I would think a show breeder who breeds $1000 pups and has all these fancy tests done by OFA, and pays $100's to handlers and judges( ) wouldnt be willing to risk a "pig wormer" on a prized dog they are selling some non suspecting person pups from a bitch, who may or may not have liver or kidney failure down the road as a result of Ivomec being given to her during whelping or any other small mistake. If they splurge everywhere else, why they use hog wormers? That was my point.
I am not here to say whether Ivomec is good or bad for a dog, I have asked 3-4 vets and none will tell me to give it....if I ever find a vet that says to use it and gives me instructions I feel safe with, I will do it, but if it can kill my dog or pups......I am not interested.
I know many of guys who use it with great results. Just surprised that "show breeders" would with all the health checks they have done and $1,000 pups on the line.
"Boomer.......You are so FOS its rolling out your eyeballs! WHat do you think it takes to make a Field Champion or IFC??? You think thats free?? I havnt seen any of them dual IFC bred hunting pups go for $1000!"
As I said, I know show people who think $800 is pricey for a show-quality pup. If they'll pay $1000 in some places, so be it. And I never said it was free to make a Field Champion or IFC. I just compared puppy millers to show breeders. Did you somehow jump to the conclusion that I was saying field breeders were puppy millers? I never implied or came close to saying such a thing!
All I said was that show breeders don't make "good money" and showing why. That doesn't mean I think field breeders do make "good money," so don't put words into my mouth. If done properly, breeding dogs really shouldn't make much money at all - whether it's a show breeder, field breeder, pet/backyard/hobby breeder, or puppy mill (although I guess by definition a puppy mill can't really be "done properly").
"Like I said.......in my opinion you show folks live in a different world!"
And like I said, I don't think I'm "show folk." I've owned beagles out of show lines, I know people who show different breeds (including beagles), and I occasionally watch for beagles on dog shows on TV or see them in person once-or-twice a year at a local show. If that makes me "show folk" in your book, then so be it.
"Now back to your fantasy land.............where you spend $10,000 to raise dogs like kids but give them hog wormer to save $1! Your story holds no water with me. "
I don't spend $10,000 to raise dogs. Where did I say that, and why would you think that? And you can bet your butt that if I were spending $10,000 to raise dogs, I would be cutting costs wherever I could without sacrificing quality of care. Our dogs get Ivomec for cattle and swine and have for a few years now (and we actually get it from our vet at "cost" from his bulk purchasing - no markup from the feed store or anything, LOL!), and I know show breeders who use Ivomec. Did you think only field people were smart enough to save money?
"Get a grip!"
It's tough. I sure wish I lived in that fantasy world of yours where I've got $10,000 in spending money to raise a dog! I guess I should be out sipping hot tea and playing tennis instead of typing at this forum, right? As show folk, I guess I could dictate to my personal assistant so that someone could do my typing for me?
"BTW Boomer.........How many litters did it take you to get 10-12 culls to GIVE AWAY FOR FREE????
I don't know what you're getting at with this question. I've given away several dogs for free or next to nothing (require proof of donation to local ASPCA, breed rescue, etc). And they all cost me with vet bills. Giving dogs away for free is a bad idea, though. Advertising "free dog" attracts some people from the wrong crowd, people who can get a dog for free jump at the chance without thinking through the responsibilities involved, it's been shown that people who have to pay for a dog end-up treating it better because they place some dollar value to it, etc.
And no strings attached!
I wish I had your problems folks with all these people knocking doors down to get a pup. Many times I want a couple of my own to replace older hounds of mine but am afraid to end up with more than i need or want. I guess I don't have the right connections, big enough name or LINE OF BS! 
) wouldnt be willing to risk a "pig wormer" on a prized dog they are selling some non suspecting person pups from a bitch, who may or may not have liver or kidney failure down the road as a result of Ivomec being given to her during whelping or any other small mistake. If they splurge everywhere else, why they use hog wormers? That was my point.