ARHA LP Rule ?

[AV Spencer]

If a judge or handler jump a rabbit and


a) a dog strikes in on the track


b) a dog sight chases and opens on the track

How is this scored?
Keep in mind- The hounds were never placed on the track.


AV Spencer

[MikeSmithWV]

In both situations strike points would be awarded. +10

[Big Dog]

This rule is a little shakey, but I would say no points because the rule books says that "strike points must be given when a rabbit is jumped by a "Hound", in this particular situation the rabbit was not jumped by a hound. Based on this I would say no strike points and go from first check after all dogs are in. I do think this rule could use a little clarification as I don't actually completely agree with it.

Big Dog

[Blu Tick Beagler]

As long as the dogs were not put on the track.. It's +10 in both situations.

Rule # 6 under strike: No strike or jump points shall be awarded if a rabbit is jumped by a judge, handler, or spectator and the hounds are called in and placed on the track.

Saw a protest at Ohio State hunt... Handlers jumped a rabbit, ran by the hounds.. 1 dog opened and site chaed rabbit. Judge didn't score it.. Handler protested and won protest.. He got his 10 points...

[dawgydawg67]

They are correct 10 plus points because the hounds were not put on the track

[AFTERSHOCK]

AV, Ran 2 hours saturday, running was alright. Give me a call and we will get together this weeekend and run.
AFTERSHOCK

[AV Spencer]

CT and I ran Sun. morning for three hours. At times running was awesome. At other times it was OK.

Sat. We are going to try and get permission for our club.

AV

[bowhunter59]

glad thos postwas here i looked it up on that one i guess yall r right looks like if u didnt put them on the rabbit even tho u jumped it it is a strike to the 1st dog that gets 3 barks!

[chad24]

By all rights, a handler or on looker should let judges know the time the rabbit is jumped that the rabbit was jumped by them and not the dogs. This goes back to honesty! At that time the judge should allow all handlers to get dogs on track and score from first check.But if the judge does not know that the rabbit was jumped by a person then he has to score strike points (+10) to the first hound that opens three times. This is the problem AKC,ARHA,PKC and UKC is having. People want to cheat and not be honest. Heck I rather walk away beat and know I was honest about it and the "best" dog won than to cheat my (and my dogs) way through a cast or full trial knowing my dog was not the better dog.There is two things a dog cannot beat ( i mean any dog) and thats a crooked judge and his pencil and another dogs handler. Heck, its hard enough to beat the other 4 dogs in its cast, let alone the handlers and the judge. This is just my two cents worth and how I feel. Now with all that said. Enjoy your Hounds !
Chad

[Big Dog]

I understand what you guys are saying, but I guess I see it a little different. If a handler jumps a rabbit then why should a dog get 10 points for seeing it and sight chasing it. He just happened to be in the right place at the right time, which has nothing to do with that dogs ability or ay of the other dogs in the packs ability. I guess the root of the decision is as to whether a hound has to jump the rabbit in order to give strike points or not. I personally don't see how or why you would want to give a dog points for just happening to be there when a handler flushed the rabbit. This has nothing to do with a dogs ability it is just pure luck. Again, I see how the rule can be interpreted this way, but I cannot see the rationale in giving score to a dog that a handler just happened to run a rabbit out on. This rule should be cleared up. It wouldn't take much to clear it up, all they would have to say is that in order to give strike or jump points the rabbit must be started by a hound. This in my opinion would be the right thing to do as I see no value in giving a dog score for being the first to see a rabbit that was jumped by a spectator judge or handler. Hell, he could have been just standing around your feet and then get rewarded for it.

Big Dog

[Blu Tick Beagler]

Let me phrase it this way.. 3 barks is 3 barks right??? I seen this many times while judging.. The handler unsnapps the lead and the dog harks 3 excited barks.. By the rules you have to put the dog on the clock and will probably minus it.. Rules say three barks get a +10 or -10. So if you jump a rabbit and the dog site chases it and backs 3 times without being put on track or encouraged to bark.. you get +10.. He's just as lucky as the harking dog is unlucky...According to LP this rule is very clear.

[Big Dog]

That is a rule that makes no sense also. Most of us don't hunt our dogs on a leash so some dogs will bark out of excitement. After I lead train my dogs when they are pups I very rarely ever use a lead on them except at a trial. They should give dogs a 3 minute period to get the BS out of their system the same way that UKC does.

Big Dog

[Jim Stinnett]

Its a strike! Plus 10

[Big Dog]

Okay, I am going to hi-jack his post a little. It seems the majority say that according to their interpretation of the rules this is a plus 10. Now, does everyone think that this is a "good" rule and that a dog should be given positive points for this? If so, why and if not why?

big dog

[bowhunter59]

big dog i agree with ur earlier post on how to fix the problem that the race must be strated by a hound if a handler or spec or anything other than the dog jumps the rabbit go from 1st check!