Puppy pricing

[oakhill]

It is true, if you have two hounds that you paid $100 for, let them roam free or keep them tied to a stake in the back yard, not worry about shots or wormings, don't do any research on pedigrees, throw a couple of pieces of ply wood together to make a dog house or cut the end out of a barrel, throw a few scraps or some feed at them everyday, change their water when their bowl is empty, use a rope for a lead, never treat for ear mites, fleas, and ticks, never buy any raw hide to try and keep their teeth and gums in good shape, and then breed them, you could PROBABLY make some money.

Let's face it, some pay more for the guns they shoot over them than the money they invest in a hunting partner that will give you everything they have and more. The way I see my hounds is sort of the way I look at my kids. If they NEED it they are gonna get it one way or another. I want my hounds to be happy, healthy, and ready to run a rabbit. I know I probably go overboard and spend too much on the hounds but I do it because I love them.

And, I do guarentee my pups to run a rabbit if the buyer puts the time and effort into training the pup.

[blackdirt beagles]

hey farwest - maybe in twenty years if you do any kind of breeding at all, you'll be able to get $100 for your pups . as far as consistancy, the line i breed is one of the few "well known" lines that actually are consistant and not watered down or have 3 or 4 "strains" of the line like a certain bigname guy from your home country . id much rather have a kennel full of consistant dogs verses 2 or 3 "superstud dogs" and a bunch of average brood females. and these comments were directed towards no one in particular, so if you feel guilty, then im sorry.

Blackdirt sorry I don't feel the need to breed my bitches just because they are in heat.
As far as the rest of your statement goes, it is too funny to even begin to reply to. So I will just leave it with a quote from yourself that I also found to be very humerous. You are getting to be quite the comedian.
"all registries need some rule changes i would say, but you never see akc or arha trying ro push themselves down your throat like the ukc does and tell you how great they are. seems to me if you have to tell people how good you are...then you probably arent"

if i wasnt a comedian i would of probably shot someone by now . just wandered what was the deal with your first post? maybe you can search back thru all my old posts as you like to do but im about 100% sure i never said id would or would even like to get $1000 or $1200 for pups. maybe if you re read my posts, you'll get to the one that said i would only charge what id be willing to pay myself for a pup. im sure you got all my posts catergorized by now and can find that one easily enough. maybe you could also start emailing me a couple times a day again...cause i sure miss that .

oh, i was also thinking about breeding my CRAZY LADY female this year. since shes 3 and i had her for the last 1 1/2 years (3 cycles) and didnt breed her as you seem so ignorantly like to say...lol. is it ok with you if i do that or are you gonna hassle me about a first time breeding of a 3 year old dog thats seen a couple hundred dead rabbits?? id hate to feel like you didnt approve of what i do with my dogs.

[WSRandy]

I don't remember if I posted this in the past or not but here is how price my pups or how many litters per year we'll have.

I take into calculation of how much feed they will eat this year and approx. how much that will cost.
Then I add 2 vet visits per dog.
Then I add a misc fee for kennel supplies (straw, bowls, cleaners,etc.)
Then I add a few trial entries
Some gas money for meeting up with buddies from all over
And here's the magic number I add.
A gift for the Mrs.

Last year it ended up between $1400-1500.

So instead of loosing money I do what I can to break even plus get a pup I want and make the Mrs happy with a little suprise.

Now if I wanted a Sire from someone else I would have to pay a stud fee and transportation costs plus additional vet bill. So this could easily reach $2000 or more.

I am not in the beagle business but I do treat it like one. It's a fair compromise between the Mrs and myself (as long as I keep the kennel clean )

Goes

LOL, Goes, Are you by chance an attorney?

[WSRandy]

I agree. With the amazing amount of work that raising a pup from 8 weeks old to being started is, how could anyone justify going the cheap route? I just can't see it.

Surely you are not claiming an expensive pup will run better than a cheap pup??????

If thats the case, does that mean if a man sells a quality pup without trying to get rich it wont run?? Lets say Joe blow sells a pup for $200, should one from the same breeding thru a broker be $350-500, will it run better than? Do they only run if they come from trialers that have made big names and broker fees? Just trying to make sure I havnt missed something

back to my hole!

Randy

[TC]

Well here in the Country of designer Dogs I have seen Snoodles Going for $600 Puggles average between $500 to $650 along with the infamous Labradoodle!!! Beagles Are $150.00 to $200.00 NO PAPERS Barn Bred! (By this I mean Dog just Roams Free Sleeps in the Barn) $250.00 to $350.00 UKC only. Heck Designer dogs selling in the mall Pet stores For $1200.00 and UP ACA registered an AKC Beagle With So Called Champion Lines in a pet store For $1000.00
Now not tryin to knock these Folks I know some of em One Guy bought a Stud UKC HBCH from Ohio and it has already Fathered 7 litters and never left the kennel How much Work Went into the Breeding Program on these Dogs???? Not much I can Regrettably Say. I know for a fact that two of these Dogs the new owners have already spent in Excess of $200 in medical Bills alone for such things as Mange, Kennel Cough And so on!!! We have a lot Of Show Champion lines in the Northwest Going for from $800.00 to $1000.00 With a Co Ownership With health certificates all the Good Stuff!!!!
Then ya Got them Folks like us that spend over a year researching bloodlines looking at dogs Trying to find out what is in the line What’s not in the line What Dog Would be the Best match for our Female Ect Talking to the breeder getting our Dog Evaluated by them Ect now this has been a Pain because looking for a Dog with good Conformation that is Gonna enhance your lines that Still has Some Hunt in it aint easy as we all know!!! We keep all our Pups until they are 10 to 12 weeks old so that we can watch and evaluate them For conformation and then we keep those that meet our standards long enough again to be able to Evaluate them for hunt ability then those that don’t fit what we need go on to Show or Field homes. We put a lot of time effort and thought into our Breedings we have only done three in 7 years.
We fall into the middle range out here and sell all our pups for $550.00 and Up. We give a Guarantee with all our dogs against health Problems We Will NOT do a Co Ownership EVER we also do not require a Spay neuter Contract on our Dogs Unless We Are selling it as a Pet only here’s how we do that. we sell you the Dog for $550.00 to $600.00 You bring back a receipt showing Spay Or Neuter We refund $50 Now My point to all this is just that it Depends on what part of the Country You are in and What the market Will Allow The best average we have been Able to come up with is Sell for how much you paid in Stud Fees!!!!
I had a Guy Call from WV the other day asked how much??? I said well after we do the interview Process and see if you Qualify For one of ours, they are $650.. He hung Up LOL but No big deal we don’t have a problem selling our Pups...

[Bopeye]

Interesting thread, but I don't know that I have learned much.
I will pay what I am willing to pay for a dog. It will depend on a lot of factors, but it will still boil down to what I'm looking for at that time.

Whether someone thinks I paid too much or not enough.....oh well.

If and when I have a litter of pups, I will sell them for what I feel they are worth. If it's too high for you, don't buy it. If it's too low for you, don't buy it. I'll sell them anyway. Won't have to worry about that for at least another year or so.

Ya'll have fun with this one.

[tommyg]

This is getting to be like bird hunting,next we'll have to have a 3000 dollar shotgun to hunt our 'well bread paper hounds". Pups are pups and there all on the same playing field when born,some will be rabbit hounds some not,papered or not. Its up to the trainer as to what you get. Thats why I try to watch the parents run before I buy,I see what the pups could be I don't rely on paper to tell me what they should be,and big names or field champions don't mean good pups. Watching dogs run from the same cross is good also. As for the cost of a litter 2 or 3 shots,mother feeds them,maybe 50 pds of puppy feed,worming them and a few other things,not to expensive if they go at 8 weeks or before, sell a couple of pups at 150 the rest is profit to put in feed or something else. Some of you sound like its a job you have to raise a puppy,I call it enjoyment,after all I,m always going to have beagles because I like to rabbit hunt and trial. Now if you have to keep and start the pup and its doing well not trashing up 500 is fair,then you know what you have and can sell it knowing that if the trainer does their job the pup will be a rabbit dog.

[Farwest]

oh, i was also thinking about breeding my CRAZY LADY female this year. since shes 3 and i had her for the last 1 1/2 years (3 cycles) and didnt breed her as you seem so ignorantly like to say...lol. is it ok with you if i do that or are you gonna hassle me about a first time breeding of a 3 year old dog thats seen a couple hundred dead rabbits?? id hate to feel like you didnt approve of what i do with my dogs.

"and these comments were directed towards no one in particular, so if you feel guilty, then im sorry."
As far as your e-mail comment I won't even dignify that with an answer.
Seems like we are getting of topic so I am done but remember. " seems to me if you have to tell people how good you are...then you probably arent" I love that quote.

[B.Trull]

Geeze this thread has kinda gotten way off of center here, which is part of the answer to the question To every person, rabbit hunting and field trialing, are different things and different levels of commitment which usually determines how much effort,cash and time we are willing to spend. There is no correct answer; it is what a person is willing to pay and what that pup/ hound means to that person.
I am happy for all of you who enjoy this sport and really put time and effort into it, for many, it is a all consuming passion that eats up a lot of free time. Please remember this is a hobby there are other more important things in life than hunting hounds.
How much effort and money you sink into your hobby is your business and your families , not mine. Lets be honest here though chasing rabbits with dogs is way down on the list of canine utliltarian uses and please dont ever compare a hound with other working dogs like GSD's and Dobermans .
True working dogs capable of stopping humans in war and in civilian application are worth far more than one who circles a rabbit consistently. These dogs are judged the world over by set standards agreed upon by many experts of many nations. Hell ,here in america beagle people cant even agree on one trial format and how a rabbit is supposed to be ran

[bunnyjumper]

Society has taught us the more we pay for something, then it must be better! The only true way to determine how good something is, is by its performance record. In the case of buying a pup one can only go buy its past bloodlines performances. Are they fairly consistant? Are they the ones that eveyone wants? If so, why? Because on an average, they have produced the most proven dogs. Its a simple case of supply and demand.The buyers are the ones that set the price tag.

[Huntin54]

I payed 250 for a started pup and his dad is a field champion and is in the hall of fame.

[Bopeye]

I've paid $250 for a finished hound out of an International Field Champion.
I've paid anywhere from $50 to $200 for six week old, AKC pups.
I've paid $100 for a finished hound out of a field champion.
I've been given dogs that are AKC registered, one of which is in my kennel.
I gave $300 for a gyp that wasn't started but was 1.5 years old.
I gave $50 for a grade gyp that did quite well.




The price is relative to what you are looking for or what you are after.

I don't consider their price tag when I get them, unless it's out of my budget.

I assure you the dog doesn't have a clue if it's registered or not.
It also doesn't have a clue on how much you paid for it. Let the dog set the price for you.
If the dog does what you want it to do, then it's almost priceless.
If the dog is a cull with a fancy pedigree or not, it's worthless.

[kytrapper]

very true bopeye, i have 9 hounds in my kennel all of which but one are akc reg. i'll be the first to say that papers dont run rabbits though i do like to have them when possible the pedigree helps me know where my dogs been and where hes going. my best dog is a grade dog because of a error on the former owners part. i dont mind at all. i like him very well hes made fun of several so called "1000$" dogs, though hes probly not worth that much but you couldent buy him for that either

[Hilltop Kennels]

I have been watching this post and was going to stay out of the complaining on how much dogs and pups are worth. But I have one thing to say, WHAT YOU PAY FOR IS WHAT YOU GET and every once in a great while you will find a deal, not very often anymore. If you do not want to pay 200 for a pup then don't. I always look at the price and ask myself would I pay that for a pup or older dog and if so then I would give that for the animal. What makes me sick people will pay $500 to $600 for a puppy to make a house dog out of it, but will not pay that for a good running rabbit dog. If you really want to complain, go look at coon dog prices and bird dog prices and tell me you are not getting a deal at $200 dollars for a good breed puppy.

[tommyg]

I have been watching this post and was going to stay out of the complaining on how much dogs and pups are worth. But I have one thing to say, WHAT YOU PAY FOR IS WHAT YOU GET and every once in a great while you will find a deal, not very often anymore. If you do not want to pay 200 for a pup then don't. I always look at the price and ask myself would I pay that for a pup or older dog and if so then I would give that for the animal. What makes me sick people will pay $500 to $600 for a puppy to make a house dog out of it, but will not pay that for a good running rabbit dog. If you really want to complain, go look at coon dog prices and bird dog prices and tell me you are not getting a deal at $200 dollars for a good breed puppy.

You don't always get what you pay for,and Beagles will catch up to bird and coon dog prices soon enough.