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Re: Wifes new car

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Pine Lakes wrote:I have family and several friends that are employed by, and make very good livings working for Honda of America. This is from a guy who also has several family members that either currently work for or have retired from the Ford engine plant here in Lima. How anyone can justify buying a General Motors or a Chrysler(now Fiat) product after raping the american public is beyond me. If Ford had done the same I would never own another one, that I promise you. Anyway, I struggled with the same ideal for awhile, but the realization of how many quality jobs have been provided in this area by Honda has me looking at things differently. It is not only Honda themselves, but all the small businesses that thrive because of Honda. The transmissions, rims, brake parts, seats, tires, and whatever else are all manufactured in nearby communities. I think that it is important to know that Honda treats their employees very well too. In lean times Honda does not lay it's workers off, they have a profit sharing and education programs, awesome benefits(for now), and comparable hourly rates to any auto manufacturer. I can't imagine the state that this, and the surrounding communities would be in if it weren't for Honda. What is sad is that a Japanese auto manufacturer would appear to care more about the american public than a U.S. manufacturer would. This is coming from someone that does not own anything but a Ford, but my wife would like to buy a Pilot and I have no guilt in saying that's fine. Around here Ford and Honda employee more people than anyone else and I intend to support both as much as possible.
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Dayton Ohio at one time was second with the amount of GM plants and they are all gone now. I literally knew 100's who were employed there. I can tell you this with certainty that the majority made over 50k in the 80's and didn't have a hard day in their life. The stewards and skilled trades I knew even had it even better. Never have I known such lazy people in my life (they bragged about doing nothing). They didn't get the name Generous Motors for nothing. They bargained themselves right out of jobs. The truck and bus plant had underground tunnels. The special people got to use these tunnels to play poker, drink and do whatever on the clock making upwards of 36.00 per hour to the day they closed. Stewards drove golf carts making top scale in their dept. and did nothing. It was in their contract to do nothing lol. The Chrysler plant here had same issues as well.
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I worked for International Harvester before it shut down and can tell you that the union bargaining had nothing to do with it closing. It was the economy and the trucking business went to pot which is EXACTLY what has caused the rest to go to pot. Funny how all the foreign companies steal the American ideas and then take it back and produce the products with slave like labor. To Stereotype union employees as being lazy and doing nothing would be WRONG and grossly mistaken ideology. I remember the years when the economy was booming, trucks and cars were selling like hot cakes and there was never a word spoken about labor contracts AND the entire vehicle industry was booming! All I can say to folks is that history is the best teacher and those knocking contracts better step back and read up on why labor started to organize. By the way is a labor contract any different than any other contract that we venture into during our lives? I sure wish that I could buy that NEW vehicle without signing my promise to follow the agreed upon terms. Truth is a contract protects BOTH parties and minus one there is NO recourse when a promise OR EXPECTATIONS ARE not met. Just like the debate we have seen about beagles being sold and or studded when they are not as described or a litter is not produced. Minus a legally binding contract one actually has no voice or recourse.

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warddog wrote:I worked for International Harvester before it shut down and can tell you that the union bargaining had nothing to do with it closing. It was the economy and the trucking business went to pot which is EXACTLY what has caused the rest to go to pot. Funny how all the foreign companies steal the American ideas and then take it back and produce the products with slave like labor. To Stereotype union employees as being lazy and doing nothing would be WRONG and grossly mistaken ideology. I remember the years when the economy was booming, trucks and cars were selling like hot cakes and there was never a word spoken about labor contracts AND the entire vehicle industry was booming! All I can say to folks is that history is the best teacher and those knocking contracts better step back and read up on why labor started to organize. By the way is a labor contract any different than any other contract that we venture into during our lives? I sure wish that I could buy that NEW vehicle without signing my promise to follow the agreed upon terms. Truth is a contract protects BOTH parties and minus one there is NO recourse when a promise OR EXPECTATIONS ARE not met. Just like the debate we have seen about beagles being sold and or studded when they are not as described or a litter is not produced. Minus a legally binding contract one actually has no voice or recourse.
Warddog the economy is bad cause of rich people poor and mid class people take orders from rich . When the economy goes bad mid class gets the blame . The politicians take there orders from the rich aka Obama is a big puppet ! :moon:
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It has little to do with where the vehicle is assembled in the long run. The corporate profits still go to over sea's companies. All they are doing is buying your appreciation by having them built here. Our pride as American's is our greatest asset as well as our greatest weakness. If anyone ever really sat down and thought about it companies like Walmart and Amazon would be closed in a mater of weeks. Sad state we live in. I will stick American, for better or worse. In the end I can say my pride for our country won out. It is a personal choice... one I choose to make. If they would reverse cap and trade and level the playing field on auto's and other items.. our US made products would fall back into use granted at a higher dollar amount for the consumer.
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warddog wrote:I worked for International Harvester before it shut down and can tell you that the union bargaining had nothing to do with it closing. It was the economy and the trucking business went to pot which is EXACTLY what has caused the rest to go to pot. Funny how all the foreign companies steal the American ideas and then take it back and produce the products with slave like labor. To Stereotype union employees as being lazy and doing nothing would be WRONG and grossly mistaken ideology. I remember the years when the economy was booming, trucks and cars were selling like hot cakes and there was never a word spoken about labor contracts AND the entire vehicle industry was booming! All I can say to folks is that history is the best teacher and those knocking contracts better step back and read up on why labor started to organize. By the way is a labor contract any different than any other contract that we venture into during our lives? I sure wish that I could buy that NEW vehicle without signing my promise to follow the agreed upon terms. Truth is a contract protects BOTH parties and minus one there is NO recourse when a promise OR EXPECTATIONS ARE not met. Just like the debate we have seen about beagles being sold and or studded when they are not as described or a litter is not produced. Minus a legally binding contract one actually has no voice or recourse.

Wardog, Don't insult my intelligence. My Ex father in law was a steward. I just told you I knew slews of other ex GM/DELCO employees they all have the same I did little of nothing stories.Matter of fact my old employer used to be the lead electrician there he told me multiple stories how guys would block photo eyes and multitudes of other ways to stop production. Union stewards taking 2 hour lunch breaks at the bar, clocking people in and out etc. Every plant here was corrupt. These people embellished the fact they screwed over GM . If I was them I would of walked backwards in shame to get my check, I couldn't have faced them. Of course someone had to work but it wasn't the top tier paid people they had seniority and help from the union not to do much.

You need to research the history of Dayton there have been more car patents come out of here than anywhere in the world. Read about Charles Kettering/ Delco. While you're at it check how many patents on other items came from here. You ask what does patents have to do with it ? with those patents came union labor. Dayton was a major force in unions. Again research it. I'm telling you right now that if they was working for an honest wage they would of stood a better chance. FYI DELCO stands for Dayton Engineering Laboratory Company. Our IH plants became known as Navistar those old IH employees was half way smart they bargained down. I know a guy who drives the trucks around the parking lot to be loaded he makes 26.00 per hr doing so. Now I say this when you lived in Dayton and knew people that worked at the 4 GM plants did you hear these same stories? NO THAT'S RIGHT YOU DIDN'T LIVE HERE. I don't have a union contract did you see my benefits? here let me show you again.

2 weeks paid vacation first year, 15 sick days,11 holidays paid, birthday paid off and a 50.00 gift card, 9 days of pto, 10 shutdown days paid during Christmas , 2 bonuses upwards of 550.00 each , 100% paid health, eye, dental and life insurance they even pay for prescription safety glasses. Oh also get 100.00 towards one pair of steel boots per year and 401K
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Who said anything about patents? So all union guys are lazy because you know a bunch of losers?
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R and D kennels wrote:
warddog wrote:I worked for International Harvester before it shut down and can tell you that the union bargaining had nothing to do with it closing. It was the economy and the trucking business went to pot which is EXACTLY what has caused the rest to go to pot. Funny how all the foreign companies steal the American ideas and then take it back and produce the products with slave like labor. To Stereotype union employees as being lazy and doing nothing would be WRONG and grossly mistaken ideology. I remember the years when the economy was booming, trucks and cars were selling like hot cakes and there was never a word spoken about labor contracts AND the entire vehicle industry was booming! All I can say to folks is that history is the best teacher and those knocking contracts better step back and read up on why labor started to organize. By the way is a labor contract any different than any other contract that we venture into during our lives? I sure wish that I could buy that NEW vehicle without signing my promise to follow the agreed upon terms. Truth is a contract protects BOTH parties and minus one there is NO recourse when a promise OR EXPECTATIONS ARE not met. Just like the debate we have seen about beagles being sold and or studded when they are not as described or a litter is not produced. Minus a legally binding contract one actually has no voice or recourse.

Wardog, Don't insult my intelligence. My Ex father in law was a steward. I just told you I knew slews of other ex GM/DELCO employees they all have the same I did little of nothing stories.Matter of fact my old employer used to be the lead electrician there he told me multiple stories how guys would block photo eyes and multitudes of other ways to stop production. Union stewards taking 2 hour lunch breaks at the bar, clocking people in and out etc. Every plant here was corrupt. These people embellished the fact they screwed over GM . If I was them I would of walked backwards in shame to get my check, I couldn't have faced them. Of course someone had to work but it wasn't the top tier paid people they had seniority and help from the union not to do much.

You need to research the history of Dayton there have been more car patents come out of here than anywhere in the world. Read about Charles Kettering/ Delco. While you're at it check how many patents on other items came from here. You ask what does patents have to do with it ? with those patents came union labor. Dayton was a major force in unions. Again research it. I'm telling you right now that if they was working for an honest wage they would of stood a better chance. FYI DELCO stands for Dayton Engineering Laboratory Company. Our IH plants became known as Navistar those old IH employees was half way smart they bargained down. I know a guy who drives the trucks around the parking lot to be loaded he makes 26.00 per hr doing so. Now I say this when you lived in Dayton and knew people that worked at the 4 GM plants did you hear these same stories? NO THAT'S RIGHT YOU DIDN'T LIVE HERE. I don't have a union contract did you see my benefits? here let me show you again.

2 weeks paid vacation first year, 15 sick days,11 holidays paid, birthday paid off and a 50.00 gift card, 9 days of pto, 10 shutdown days paid during Christmas , 2 bonuses upwards of 550.00 each , 100% paid health, eye, dental and life insurance they even pay for prescription safety glasses. Oh also get 100.00 towards one pair of steel boots per year and 401K
R&D PLEASE do not insult my intelligence. NO, I didn't live in Dayton but in FACT did live/work at IH in Ft. Wayne, IN. I didn't have to learn anything from what others said as I lived and EXPERIANCED it first hand for many years. I have also worked other BOTH organized an unorganized jobs in my life time, including the military. Talk all the BS you want but I highly doubt that what you "showed me again" was given to you out of the clear blue sky or the goodness of your employers heart. ALL those things you cite were pretty much the things we bargained for way back in the early 70's, some 40+ years ago at good ole IH. I can also remember that when employees started getting laid off the insurance IH supplied cost us nearly $500.00 per month back then. Safety glasses and steel toed shoes were also things that were bargained for and ole IH had the very same PAID shut down for the Christmas holiday season. So all your BS about what you have now, was and has been bargained for in the vehicle industry way in history. As I have stated I highly doubt that your employer came up with these things all on their own and FACTS are some of the predecessor employees in the auto industry sacrificed to obtain these things for future generations and I clearly see YOU are enjoying the fruits of their labor. I'm heard so BS from folks that have never worked a single day in organized labor knock it when they have no clue of the truth. PLEASE do not continue to try to tell me that because one is NOT a union employee they work much harder as I have personally watched the exact opposite as there are dead beats regardless. I would say YOU are the one that needs to do your research on the history of labor in this country going all the way back to slave labor and maybe you can appreciate those that have sacrificed before you. By the way we label folks that reap what others have sown but yet bad mouth them.............................SCABS!

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..................... 25 year United Airline Employee ..........................15 of that Union Strong, :lol:

My union was voted in back when United Airlines had a "A" pay scale and a "C" pay scale, which meant depending on when you were hired you would never have the chance to make what the "A" scale person made but did the same work. Hence a vote for Union Representation and they were voted in a over-whelming majority because even the "A" scale people knew this wasnt right and also wanted to see what else the union could get them. Let's face it, you could have a great job with great benefits but not everyone would be happy.

So the union came in and pumped their chest and even got the 'A' scale people a $7 an hour raise since we had not had a raise in about 4 years. So back in 1999, my 10th year with the company with my new Union contract i made $27 an hour and the ''C'' scale person was now on ''A'' scale pay also, so after 10 years with the company they were at that rate too. When i left my job in November of 2013 because my station i worked in was "OUTSOURCED'' i would of been making, under our brand new contract .......... take a guess .......... go ahead and guess................ $27 an hour, yep same rate as 1999 and now we have to pay for medical benefits which before we did not. So after 15 years what did they get me? How's that for Union Strong? Since joining the IAM 141 i received 1 pay raise and 4 or 5 paycuts. We went thru 9/11 and a ugly bankruptcy also each time taking cuts and then more cuts. On the other hand, if we did not have the Union in our corner, would we of lost a whole lot more??? It was a ugly double edged sword. In that period from 1999 to 2013 my Union dues went up 6 different times, and my pay went down 4 or 5 different times. Wasnt that nice of my "UNION". Oh yeah, and guess what, ...... take a guess at what "MY UNION" was negotiating when my job was outsourced??? They were trying to bring back ''C'' scale pay. :lol: IDIOTS!!! They were trying to bring back the very same thing that got them voted in. The "C" scale person would work for $10-$12ish dollars an hour and also have to pay for medical benefits, tubos in lieu of oír jobs being outsourced. The Union said they were trying to save jobs, we all said their trying to protect their Union dues income. So as the committee person for my Harrisburg station when presented with this option, one question i asked, well how much less are our Union dues at less than half the rate if pay??? and take a guess what they said........... go ahead and guess ................ go ahead, .............. u got it, Union dues stayed the same at $70 a month because if we wanted to we could sell our homes, uproot our families and transfer to another station where United Mainline employees still worked and had the chance to make the $27 an hour, even tho in the "OUTSOURCED" station we would only be making $12.

Before the Union, $20 an hour was top rate, but we had 7 weeks vacation, 1 week of personal holidays, paid sick leave which was accrued 8 hours a month to a max of 1000 hours of paid sick time (roughly 125 paid days sick time if it was needed and justified), Birthday off, and 100pct paid medical, along with 2 pair of steel toe shoes/boots a year, to name a few.

After 15 years of Union Strong i would be at if still there $27 an hour which i was at that back in 1999 also, still 7 weeks vacation, still 1 week of personal holidays, the same sick leave, birthday off, but if i wanted the same medical benefit i had up until this new contract it would now cost me between $400-$500 a month, and now 1 pair of steel toe shoes/boots a year. So i ask, after 25 years with the same company, 15 of those Union Strong (IAM 141) was i any better off???
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Spent 30 yr in a steel mill. I came out of it with only $400 a month for a pension with no benefits. Took a 35 percent cut in wages for several years and never got my wages back. Yet I am still proud to have been a union worker. Those that take all the benefits that the union fought for and bad mouth unions ,I have little respect for.

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warddog wrote:
R and D kennels wrote:
warddog wrote:I worked for International Harvester before it shut down and can tell you that the union bargaining had nothing to do with it closing. It was the economy and the trucking business went to pot which is EXACTLY what has caused the rest to go to pot. Funny how all the foreign companies steal the American ideas and then take it back and produce the products with slave like labor. To Stereotype union employees as being lazy and doing nothing would be WRONG and grossly mistaken ideology. I remember the years when the economy was booming, trucks and cars were selling like hot cakes and there was never a word spoken about labor contracts AND the entire vehicle industry was booming! All I can say to folks is that history is the best teacher and those knocking contracts better step back and read up on why labor started to organize. By the way is a labor contract any different than any other contract that we venture into during our lives? I sure wish that I could buy that NEW vehicle without signing my promise to follow the agreed upon terms. Truth is a contract protects BOTH parties and minus one there is NO recourse when a promise OR EXPECTATIONS ARE not met. Just like the debate we have seen about beagles being sold and or studded when they are not as described or a litter is not produced. Minus a legally binding contract one actually has no voice or recourse.

Wardog, Don't insult my intelligence. My Ex father in law was a steward. I just told you I knew slews of other ex GM/DELCO employees they all have the same I did little of nothing stories.Matter of fact my old employer used to be the lead electrician there he told me multiple stories how guys would block photo eyes and multitudes of other ways to stop production. Union stewards taking 2 hour lunch breaks at the bar, clocking people in and out etc. Every plant here was corrupt. These people embellished the fact they screwed over GM . If I was them I would of walked backwards in shame to get my check, I couldn't have faced them. Of course someone had to work but it wasn't the top tier paid people they had seniority and help from the union not to do much.

You need to research the history of Dayton there have been more car patents come out of here than anywhere in the world. Read about Charles Kettering/ Delco. While you're at it check how many patents on other items came from here. You ask what does patents have to do with it ? with those patents came union labor. Dayton was a major force in unions. Again research it. I'm telling you right now that if they was working for an honest wage they would of stood a better chance. FYI DELCO stands for Dayton Engineering Laboratory Company. Our IH plants became known as Navistar those old IH employees was half way smart they bargained down. I know a guy who drives the trucks around the parking lot to be loaded he makes 26.00 per hr doing so. Now I say this when you lived in Dayton and knew people that worked at the 4 GM plants did you hear these same stories? NO THAT'S RIGHT YOU DIDN'T LIVE HERE. I don't have a union contract did you see my benefits? here let me show you again.

2 weeks paid vacation first year, 15 sick days,11 holidays paid, birthday paid off and a 50.00 gift card, 9 days of pto, 10 shutdown days paid during Christmas , 2 bonuses upwards of 550.00 each , 100% paid health, eye, dental and life insurance they even pay for prescription safety glasses. Oh also get 100.00 towards one pair of steel boots per year and 401K
R&D PLEASE do not insult my intelligence. NO, I didn't live in Dayton but in FACT did live/work at IH in Ft. Wayne, IN. I didn't have to learn anything from what others said as I lived and EXPERIANCED it first hand for many years. I have also worked other BOTH organized an unorganized jobs in my life time, including the military. Talk all the BS you want but I highly doubt that what you "showed me again" was given to you out of the clear blue sky or the goodness of your employers heart. ALL those things you cite were pretty much the things we bargained for way back in the early 70's, some 40+ years ago at good ole IH. I can also remember that when employees started getting laid off the insurance IH supplied cost us nearly $500.00 per month back then. Safety glasses and steel toed shoes were also things that were bargained for and ole IH had the very same PAID shut down for the Christmas holiday season. So all your BS about what you have now, was and has been bargained for in the vehicle industry way in history. As I have stated I highly doubt that your employer came up with these things all on their own and FACTS are some of the predecessor employees in the auto industry sacrificed to obtain these things for future generations and I clearly see YOU are enjoying the fruits of their labor. I'm heard so BS from folks that have never worked a single day in organized labor knock it when they have no clue of the truth. PLEASE do not continue to try to tell me that because one is NOT a union employee they work much harder as I have personally watched the exact opposite as there are dead beats regardless. I would say YOU are the one that needs to do your research on the history of labor in this country going all the way back to slave labor and maybe you can appreciate those that have sacrificed before you. By the way we label folks that reap what others have sown but yet bad mouth them.............................SCABS!

You paint with such a broad brush. Notice I am only commenting negatively on the GM/DELCO/DELPHI employees that was here? Also did you not notice I said the lower tiered people did the work? Now since you know me and the situation so well, tell me how I made 47.81 per hr under union contract in my former life ? maybe skilled 'trades>? no, wait, you tell everyone how I made that income. I'm done with you and this topic.
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Re: Wifes new car

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warddog wrote:
R and D kennels wrote:
warddog wrote:I worked for International Harvester before it shut down and can tell you that the union bargaining had nothing to do with it closing. It was the economy and the trucking business went to pot which is EXACTLY what has caused the rest to go to pot. Funny how all the foreign companies steal the American ideas and then take it back and produce the products with slave like labor. To Stereotype union employees as being lazy and doing nothing would be WRONG and grossly mistaken ideology. I remember the years when the economy was booming, trucks and cars were selling like hot cakes and there was never a word spoken about labor contracts AND the entire vehicle industry was booming! All I can say to folks is that history is the best teacher and those knocking contracts better step back and read up on why labor started to organize. By the way is a labor contract any different than any other contract that we venture into during our lives? I sure wish that I could buy that NEW vehicle without signing my promise to follow the agreed upon terms. Truth is a contract protects BOTH parties and minus one there is NO recourse when a promise OR EXPECTATIONS ARE not met. Just like the debate we have seen about beagles being sold and or studded when they are not as described or a litter is not produced. Minus a legally binding contract one actually has no voice or recourse.

Wardog, Don't insult my intelligence. My Ex father in law was a steward. I just told you I knew slews of other ex GM/DELCO employees they all have the same I did little of nothing stories.Matter of fact my old employer used to be the lead electrician there he told me multiple stories how guys would block photo eyes and multitudes of other ways to stop production. Union stewards taking 2 hour lunch breaks at the bar, clocking people in and out etc. Every plant here was corrupt. These people embellished the fact they screwed over GM . If I was them I would of walked backwards in shame to get my check, I couldn't have faced them. Of course someone had to work but it wasn't the top tier paid people they had seniority and help from the union not to do much.

You need to research the history of Dayton there have been more car patents come out of here than anywhere in the world. Read about Charles Kettering/ Delco. While you're at it check how many patents on other items came from here. You ask what does patents have to do with it ? with those patents came union labor. Dayton was a major force in unions. Again research it. I'm telling you right now that if they was working for an honest wage they would of stood a better chance. FYI DELCO stands for Dayton Engineering Laboratory Company. Our IH plants became known as Navistar those old IH employees was half way smart they bargained down. I know a guy who drives the trucks around the parking lot to be loaded he makes 26.00 per hr doing so. Now I say this when you lived in Dayton and knew people that worked at the 4 GM plants did you hear these same stories? NO THAT'S RIGHT YOU DIDN'T LIVE HERE. I don't have a union contract did you see my benefits? here let me show you again.

2 weeks paid vacation first year, 15 sick days,11 holidays paid, birthday paid off and a 50.00 gift card, 9 days of pto, 10 shutdown days paid during Christmas , 2 bonuses upwards of 550.00 each , 100% paid health, eye, dental and life insurance they even pay for prescription safety glasses. Oh also get 100.00 towards one pair of steel boots per year and 401K
R&D PLEASE do not insult my intelligence. NO, I didn't live in Dayton but in FACT did live/work at IH in Ft. Wayne, IN. I didn't have to learn anything from what others said as I lived and EXPERIANCED it first hand for many years. I have also worked other BOTH organized an unorganized jobs in my life time, including the military. Talk all the BS you want but I highly doubt that what you "showed me again" was given to you out of the clear blue sky or the goodness of your employers heart. ALL those things you cite were pretty much the things we bargained for way back in the early 70's, some 40+ years ago at good ole IH. I can also remember that when employees started getting laid off the insurance IH supplied cost us nearly $500.00 per month back then. Safety glasses and steel toed shoes were also things that were bargained for and ole IH had the very same PAID shut down for the Christmas holiday season. So all your BS about what you have now, was and has been bargained for in the vehicle industry way in history. As I have stated I highly doubt that your employer came up with these things all on their own and FACTS are some of the predecessor employees in the auto industry sacrificed to obtain these things for future generations and I clearly see YOU are enjoying the fruits of their labor. I'm heard so BS from folks that have never worked a single day in organized labor knock it when they have no clue of the truth. PLEASE do not continue to try to tell me that because one is NOT a union employee they work much harder as I have personally watched the exact opposite as there are dead beats regardless. I would say YOU are the one that needs to do your research on the history of labor in this country going all the way back to slave labor and maybe you can appreciate those that have sacrificed before you. By the way we label folks that reap what others have sown but yet bad mouth them.............................SCABS!

You paint with such a broad brush.You must be 100 years old ? I mean, you have done it all and you're an expert on unions, dog food, USDA and every other topic that gets brought up on TAB. Maybe you're just a bullshitter? Notice I am only commenting negatively on the GM/DELCO/DELPHI employees that was here? Also did you not notice I said the lower tiered people did the work? Now since you know me and the situation so well, tell me how I made 47.81 per hr under union contract in my former life ? maybe skilled 'trades>? no, wait, you tell everyone how I made that income. I'm done with you and this topic just block me. PLEASE ....
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If your uaw your wage and health care cost are one . So let say you make 20 dollars hours and the company pays 20 thousand for your health care per year . It all consider your wage .
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Re: Wifes new car

Post by warddog »

I've NEVER professed to be an expert on any subject although, USDA inspectors actually working 8 to 12 hours each day sometimes 7 days a week are considered expert witnesses by the government in trials of the industry. They see and regulate what goes into pet food as BY-products of the meat and poultry slaughter process via the rendering companies because these By-products have the same visual characteristics of being fit for human consumption unless they are transported in commerce denatured or accompanied. As for the union I was also a regional council president that had jurisdiction over the states of Indiana, Illinois, Michigan and OHIO in the AFGE union for the last 15 years of employment with USDA. I was also a union steward for 10 years at IH in the private sector as well as worked jobs that were non-union. So, what I speak is what I have actually personally experienced to be true and not what I heard from Ole so and so or made an assumption on from what I have heard or read. From all the folks I have had conversations with that knock union labor and or officers as high paid lazy do nothings the vast majority of them have never spent a single day as a union member let alone an officer in one. In my working years I sure have witnessed several employees that were fired or laid off for performance, attendance and ALL other issues that folks get fired/laid off for as employees. The only difference between having a union and not having one is that if the supervisor has just cause and does "their" job, such employees will be fired/laid off after the employee has the opportunity to present their side of the issue but without a union you have no voice and are fired or permanently laid off because they say so, period, without much recourse unless a violation of law has occurred. What I do believe in, maybe some will recognize as the VOICE I allude to.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect UNION, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

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Re: Wifes new car

Post by Pine Lakes »

I agree with you warddog. A man's work ethic is directly tied to his character, not his affiliation with a union. I will say that I believe the benefits of a union are taken advantage of by those with little or no character, and I think that is where the reputation comes from.

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