what format do u all like the best?????? (fairest)???

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 7:26 pm

i am getting into trialing and i have akc/ukc registered beagles, it seems to me that UKC is the fairest of the two because of the way the format is designed where as akc is alot of buddy judging from what ive heard

i have also heard that akc trials allow dogs to run offgame and that hunt is not really rewarded and that the judges actually jump alot of the rabbits not the dogs

i have also heard that ukc plays favorites with people that are from up north ??

is this hogwash ,or truth ???????????

am i far off here ???? any help would be appreciated .......

did not mean to bash anyone just reapeating what ive heard and seeing what u all think ????

thank you

Big Dog · Post by **Big Dog** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 7:34 pm

My recommendation is to go and see for yourself. You have cheating and whining in all formats, akc, arha and ukc included. You also have honest folks in each format. Don't make a judgement or knock any of them until you try them and see for yourself and then you can be the judge. So far I have only run UKC and ARHA and have enjoyed both. I will be trying some mid-west spo next week if things go well and then I will formulate my own opinion.

Big Dog

Hilltop Kennels · Post by **Hilltop Kennels** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 8:09 pm

Incahoots · Post by **Incahoots** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 8:17 pm

i have also heard that ukc plays favorites with people that are from up north ??

Darn I must be left out of that club! lol

I think the UKC format is fair however. No matter the format you will have people that will try anything. I don't care if they seem nice and "just want to have fun". Get a rule book, read it, and learn it. Reason is you have people that will bend rules you will also have many that just don't know the rules also. I tend to think more just don't know then intentionally bend rules. Someone needs to know them so learn them and others will learn from you. Hey, I want to have fun also but... I don't have to drive 4 hours to do that. If my hound won the cast I owe it to him to ensure he advances. I left a hunt slip from me for being a nice guy and I am a super nice guy but a hunt costs me about $60 + in travel etc. I will continue to be a nice guy but I will make an effort to point out errors and ensure the run was according to the rules down to the score card.

That being said hunts are alot of fun!

Jamie Rice · Post by **Jamie Rice** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 9:29 pm

All registries and formats have the good and bad. Try each of them out and see which one you like best. But in the end remember one thing, if you don't know how to lose then don't bother going. You'll never win everyone you go to. If a few more people in the sport understand that then you'd have a heck of a lot less people complaining so much.

Best of luck to you.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:05 pm

I like UKC hunts alot,there are some cast problems but they are for the most part taken care of in the field by a vote. I am going to run some mid west spo this year,I don't know about buddy judgeing,I heard that but I'll see for my self. I'd say all registerys have good and bad,but I do like to see the best dog win,mine or not.

Tim Hartsock · Post by **Tim Hartsock** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:01 am

I've run both UKC and AKC. I think the people who talk about buddy judging are the ones who should spend more time training their dogs and less time complaining. What I've seen in the AKC trials is judges that judge the dogs honestly and are not influenced by the handlers. UKC trials are more work for the trialers because you do have to know the rules, thats not a bad thing, it helps everyone better understand the traits of a good beagle.
There are good and bad people everywhere, including beagle field trials, both AKC and UKC.

Hope to see you at a trial soon.

SMITTY1233 · Post by **SMITTY1233** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:47 am

I like AKC over UKC but my dog has ran both. I think UKC you have to haggle more over things with other handlers. Just my opinion not saying its not a good format. I think AKC gives an honest judge the best chance to sit back and pick the best rabbit dog. ARHA and UKC have certain formats and want the dogs to run a certain style. Nothing wrong with what they want I just think AKC lets the judges sit back and take in all aspects of the hunting beagle and make a honest opinion about them. If you don't like to fail more than you succeed don't get into trialing. Also one thing I always remember is I know what type of hound I have because I see them way more than anyone else. I don't let a judges opinion influence what I think about my hound. You have to take the high and the lows in stride and keep you emotions out of it. If you win good. If you get picked up oh well it was fun to hang out and run beaglers with a group of guys.

thornie · Post by **thornie** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:30 pm

I've hunted UKC, ARHA, PKC but have never hunted AKC. Help me out on this. I understand that if a dog or dogs run a deer, you pick them up and recast them or are they scratched in AKC? If my dog was in this cast and came back to me, what would happen to this dog? I would like to run some AKC events but not if they can run deer, and still hunt as a part of a cast. Any replys appreciated.

DarrinG · Post by **DarrinG** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:39 pm

Fuzz wrote:All registries and formats have the good and bad. Try each of them out and see which one you like best. But in the end remember one thing, if you don't know how to lose then don't bother going. You'll never win everyone you go to. If a few more people in the sport understand that then you'd have a heck of a lot less people complaining so much.

Best of luck to you.

Very good post Jamie!

Ditto what several have already said, if you have any chance, go and see each format. I have attended trials in AKC and ARHA, hoping to get to a UKC trial this year to see for myself about them. I personally prefer ARHA trials but that is not to say AKC isnt good too.......

If you go with the right mindset (to have fun, enjoy the company of fellow beaglers, and to listen to good hound music and just enjoy yourself) you will have fun at any of the formats. Just dont ever get caught up in the "I have to win" crowd and you will enjoy yourself!

Good luck!

Big Dog · Post by **Big Dog** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:52 pm

There isn't anything in the AKC rule book that talks specifically about disqualifying a dog for running deer. From what I understand some judges will allow you a few minutes to catch your dog and get him back in before going on without him(thus no score for him). With that being said, most judges will probably have you picked up under another rule, such as disrupting the running of the pack.(LOL) This is what the trainer (Mel)told us when I took the AKC Judges test. I would venture to say that if your dog runs a deer even if he isn't picked up then and there, in most cases he ain't gonna place that day, for whatever politically correct reason the judge chooses to give you.(LOL)

Big Dog

Ky Scott · Post by **Ky Scott** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 8:58 pm

Progressive Pack!!! They are gundogs. They also score any check and it does'nt have to be a 15 second breakdown. If the judge see's a rabbit make a 90 degree turn and one of the dogs are running a good enough line to make that turn and not break down then he get's scored for the check. If you're dog does'nt hunt he will get picked up and put in the box. If he is mouthy and does'nt come up with a rabbit he will get picked up and put in the box. If he does'nt return to the point of loss and work the check from the inside out he will get picked up and put in the box. Also before they will make him a RCH no matter how much he has won they will set up a time to whatch him circle his own rabbit and shoot over him before they will certify him RCH. Just my 2 cents

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Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:10 pm

The AKC Rule book for Small Pack Option will let you demerit a hound for running deer. A dog can only be demeritted so much before it has lost all its merits and can get picked up.

DRamey · Post by **DRamey** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 12:04 am

From experience, I can tell you that it is a myth that in ARHA trials hounds don't jump their own rabbits. The judge is right in there with them and on rare occasions on a tight sitting rabbit it moves because of the presence of the judge as well as a pack searching for it. Most ARHA hounds that are successful are above average to outstanding jump dogs. Whoever told you that judges jump most of the rabbits probably heard it from some sore loser who couldn't accept that his hound got trounced on strikes and jumps one day. Try them all and run the one or more that you enjoy the best. I will tell you this on a positive note, you will make lifelong friendships, and the camaraderie is second to none. Run what you like, and ignore the fools that criticize what you like. They aren't feeding 'em!

LaMarr Rhoades · Post by **LaMarr Rhoades** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 1:25 am

I like them all,but little pack is my favorite.Just like the style of dog thats all.