~~Stud dog owners not showing stud dog in field~~

[mn_beagleboy]

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[mn_beagleboy]

The last breeding I did for a hunter female taught me a great lesson. A guy called me up to breed to one of my dog and he wants to see the dog run. I get off work early for him so he could get to see the dog run. When we got to the pen, I have two six month old pups still running. I couldn't catch one of the pup, so I would not release my male. We release his female that he wanted to breed. He asked me can my male run as good as the pups? I told him its the pups sire. His expectation of my stud dog was to run just like the pup nothing more. The guy were very intrested breeding to the pup lol. He wanted to but i told him akc wouldnt allow n i dont think the pup would be able to lock. Some breeders only expected a stud dog to circle the rabbit. If u have the time, show it. I feel studding dog is too much for me to handle right now, showing the dog should be required. That is why I don't stud my dog for now til i can work less hour. This is why some stud dog owner refuse to show their stud. Do your research. Ask judges that have seen the dog and his offsprings run. Thats what I would do if I plan to breed to a stud dog. Get there pay, then breed and be done with it.

Sao

[Pine Lakes]

I've got Clyde Of Moonhaven at the house and I will show him in the field, but it makes me extremely nervous. I don't own him yet & I would feel terrible if something happened to him. In this beagling world we breed to dogs from all over the continent. Clyde, while he has ran a few cottontails, was trialed exclusively on hare. He was also ran in an area with thousands of acres with a small human population. Like so many dogs from his area, he has never had a training collar on and while he's not hard to catch, he also hunts hard and deep. I don't have that type of environment to train in. If they don't handle or they hunt deep they run the risk of getting hit where I live. As far as taking your field champion out everytime you go, just because it's your FC, isn't remotely accurate and it's a big risk. We've all had the misfortune of losing good dogs to accidents, so I understand why someone wouldn't want to risk losing a dog that has already proven itself in the field and as a reproducer? Also, watching a dog run that has been retired, isn't fair to that dog either. It's amazing how word of mouth travels no matter the accuracy of the word. While wanting to watch a dog run is certainly a good thing in my opinion, I also think you should watch him run while he's being ran either in trials, or still being hunted.

[transman63]

I think some stud dog owner's don't show there stud, do to him being out of shape. fearing!!!! he will not perform az good az he can,or has in the past. most dog's if not in shape will not show az well az thay can in shape. Or az they did az a younger dog. thin people posting bad info That is not true of the dogs treats. Such az speed and endurance.

[BCBeagles]

I have seen a few big name dogs run, IFC's, FC's, and of course they were in a safe situation, which is just common sense.

I had Green Bay Walk On here a couple summers back. Ran him regularly, ALWAYS put him in a sound area with minimal chance for a disaster, but you cannot be sure there will be no issues, but just prepare ahead for minimal issues.

I have also watched other FC's run and again, they were run in safe environments. I say run them, but if some chose not to I respect that as well. In that case I would enjoy seeing pups off of them run.

JMO.

[johns03272008]

Chip with you having moonhaven its almost the situation I'm referring to with the dog not being trialed any where near here and there is just no way I would have ever seen the dog run or been able to see the dog run, it seems like some of the dogs from either way up north or way out east are making it for stud in the Midwest section, what's the point of having a great dog if no one in our area has seen the dog run and no one knows anything about the dog? Its hard to ask judges and people you know when the dog was ran in another area of the country.

Darrell I watched Walk On many times both in the Midwest Circuit and when Steve had him, he is a great dog with a lot to offer guys in their breeding program.

I guess like has been stated it is up to the stud dog owner if he wants to run the dog or not and I'm sure it can get time consuming to run the dog for everyone that wants to see him go, but on the other hand if you own a stud dog that is time consuming and especially if you own one that is worth breeding to!! I my opinion if you don't have time to show a dog in its prime in the field why is the dog for stud??

[wvdaniel]

Great topic. This is just my opinion and we all have a right to it. To me some of the best dogs and stud dogs will never in there life time see a Field trial. But they are just the good old country boy down the road who like to run every chance he can. I do like to look at my dogs pedigree and see rabbit champions in it. But I am more concerned about what kinda of pups the dog throws. So I would rather see his pups run. NOW THIS IS JUST MY OPINON. I have always bought a dog to hunt and run. So why would I pay a big price for a dog and never run him and just keep him pinned up to stud out. I know they are making money they paid for him back at stud fee. But if he Is 7 or 8 yrs old I understand. But if I have a stud I would love to show him off every chance I get. And yes it is up to the one want to bred to the stud to move on. But if I had a stud I would want to see the gyp he is breeding run too. Like I said this is just how I feel. And my OPINON

[Pine Lakes]

You are totally overlooking the point John. The dog was out there for everyone to see. If you didn't go see the dog run it isn't the owner's fault. Like I said, I will show Clyde in the field, but it's an uneasy feeling due to the reasons I stated before. Honestly, what do you expect an 11 yr old dog to show you? He has nothing left to prove to you or anyone else at this point other than what he can reproduce. If you want to breed to a dog that you've seen run, then there are plenty to choose from within a few hours. I know what this dog in my kennel has accomplished and he doesn't have to justify himself to me, you, or anyone else. I didn't bring him down here to "cash in". I spoke with Monk about this dog years ago and he fits into what I'm personally doing in my kennel. If not one person decides to breed to him I won't be offended in the least, but if someone wants to give him a try then they know where he is. If folks who started the Mid-West took on your attitude, you'd still be running cottontail and show bred dogs. How many people in the Mid-West watched Jack Of All Trades run a cottontail? Why are you studding a dog that hasn't finished in the Mid-West or any AKC federation?

[johns03272008]

You are totally overlooking the point John. The dog was out there for everyone to see. If you didn't go see the dog run it isn't the owner's fault. Like I said, I will show Clyde in the field, but it's an uneasy feeling due to the reasons I stated before. Honestly, what do you expect an 11 yr old dog to show you? He has nothing left to prove to you or anyone else at this point other than what he can reproduce. If you want to breed to a dog that you've seen run, then there are plenty to choose from within a few hours. I know what this dog in my kennel has accomplished and he doesn't have to justify himself to me, you, or anyone else. I didn't bring him down here to "cash in". I spoke with Monk about this dog years ago and he fits into what I'm personally doing in my kennel. If not one person decides to breed to him I won't be offended in the least, but if someone wants to give him a try then they know where he is. If folks who started the Mid-West took on your attitude, you'd still be running cottontail and show bred dogs. How many people in the Mid-West watched Jack Of All Trades run a cottontail? Why are you studding a dog that hasn't finished in the Mid-West or any AKC federation?

Chip I think your taking this personal here and its not meant to be personal to anyone but what I am saying is Moonhaven was not trialed around me and I never heard of him till you mentioned you had him at stud at your house and on top of that I said a dog in their prime and I don't believe a 11 year old dog is in his prime I said a dog 3-6 maybe 7 years old. This is just to see other people view that may have FC or IFC's that are in their prime of why they don't show them.

Also since you wanted to drag my stud dog into it Blackie has proved himself in ALL formats by placing and winning so I don't believe all dogs have to be AKC FC or IFC to be a stud and not that it matters but Blackie was only ran in probably 6-7 AKC lisence trials in his life so a 2nd and a 4th with and winners packs in all but I believe 2 times is pretty good, your welcome to watch him run till the day he dies!!!! I don't care how old he is because he is a Rabbit Dog first and for most and I run him because he is a pleasure to run with so anytime someone wants to see him run can because I own him and he is at STUD and even when he loses some step due to age and may not be the dog he was when younger he will still be showed if someone wants to see him

How does my attitude have anything to do with running show dogs or cotton tail dogs, this about finding out why some choose not to run their FC or IFC dogs in their prime not a 9-11 year old dogdog.

Thanks Guys let get back on topic now!!

[weedeater kennel]

rch brankos spotted beast is at Lowell smith in gilbert wv anybody can go watch him run take any thing you want to run with him god bless and merry christmas

[johns03272008]

rch brankos spotted beast is at Lowell smith in gilbert wv anybody can go watch him run take any thing you want to run with him god bless and merry christmas

I understand Stud owners not wanting to drop their FC or IFC down with any other male dog what would be the point of that other than that other person just trying to see how their pot licker compares to the FC or IFC, if I am wanting to breed to a STUD dog I want to see the STUD dog by himself I'm not interested in seeing him with a pack of dogs.

[sparky]

Cant understand why someone would be so concerned with what another man chooses to do with his property. If a man chooses not to run his dog for whatever reason,then dont breed to it - pretty simple. Some guys will tell ya if you wanna breed to their dog then come on over,if you dont then thats fine to,dont think their twisting any arms. Some dogs are great but they dont produce real well,I think it would be better to watch it's offspring run instead,thats just my opinion. Merry Christmas

[pcable]

I have 2 males up for stud and anyone who wants to watch them go can do so. One is 2 years old and one is 4 years old. Neither one has been trialed but they are top quality dogs with top quality pedigrees. I can run them most anytime as long as my backbone isn't hurting too bad, so come watch them go. They are both bred to produce! Just give me a call and we'll drop'em!!

Patrick Cable
606-639-1192
Everyone have a safe and Merry Christmas!!!

[Casey Harner]

You are totally overlooking the point John. The dog was out there for everyone to see. If you didn't go see the dog run it isn't the owner's fault. Like I said, I will show Clyde in the field, but it's an uneasy feeling due to the reasons I stated before. Honestly, what do you expect an 11 yr old dog to show you? He has nothing left to prove to you or anyone else at this point other than what he can reproduce. If you want to breed to a dog that you've seen run, then there are plenty to choose from within a few hours. I know what this dog in my kennel has accomplished and he doesn't have to justify himself to me, you, or anyone else. I didn't bring him down here to "cash in". I spoke with Monk about this dog years ago and he fits into what I'm personally doing in my kennel. If not one person decides to breed to him I won't be offended in the least, but if someone wants to give him a try then they know where he is. If folks who started the Mid-West took on your attitude, you'd still be running cottontail and show bred dogs. How many people in the Mid-West watched Jack Of All Trades run a cottontail? Why are you studding a dog that hasn't finished in the Mid-West or any AKC federation?

I agree Chip. At that age MoonHaven as a running dog doesn't need to prove anything to me. Would I like to watch him run, for craps and giggles sure, but it would be solo. No need to give him a heart attack by running him with some young bucks. Now if MoonHaven was 3 or 4 I would like to put pressure on him and see how he handles it. Would he buckle under it and become mouthy or would he kill his pack mates, but at 12 years old keep him in the pen at let me see his youngsters.

[weedeater kennel]

we will run brankos spotted beast with yours r by himself would also like to see your fe run by herself and with him