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rabbitearl wrote:Look at it this way.Can anybody show that when the dogs get to a place they cannot smell the rabbit that the rabbit just hold its scent.I just don't see a rabbit holding its scent.
I'm with you on this one! But all the post are worth reading if you want a good laugh. I hope this one goes five pages. Lol lol
S.R. patch, how about this, the running is fabulous all day long they pound them with the exception of when one is shot at the dogs can't pick it up for fifty feet, How about you step on one and have to walk the dogs down the line for forty feet before they can run it, and run it hard they do, It ain't complicated, scent is good they pound them except where you shot at them or stepped on them, Ain't hard to figure out it has nothing to do with the dogs as they pound them for an hour afterwards, right through the same area. Has nothing to do with the scenting conditions for the same reason. I am always amazed at the everyday occurrences that those who claim to hunt everyday don't know! Perhaps you are agreeing , I don't know you seem to be going in a different direction and talking about running in general!
rabbitearl wrote:No I ve seen two many of these two couple pack big nose dogs run the crap out of a rabbit every time in one pen and dogs in another pen cannot keep it going a hundred yds.Saying the smelling is not good or anything to help out the dogs.Alot of people looks at there dogs on the tail gate.
I agree Earl. I've seen dogs lose a line as was mentioned. Then one dog comes back to the point of loss puts its nose to the ground and walks the line out. Anyone who hasn't seen it needs to see more dogs run or different dogs run. All dogs aren't equal.
I had a bitch named Hanna. When she was about eight months old I was running with Randall Wells. He had some Gay bred dogs and I had a Flat Creek- Kalagha bred bitch. They had ran a rabbit for several circles then they lost in some honey suckle near a trail. Then this pup came out squealing as she walked the line down the trail. The other dogs came over and one of the dogs ran into the pup knocking her off the line. She got up and continued to track and none of the other dogs could smell anything. Once she reached the thick stuff the other dogs began to open. Without Hannah, I could have believed that the rabbit cut off his scent.
I've seen that happen many times. I owned a bitch, Hasta. The pack was running and lost the rabbit at the edge of the woods. Randall and I were standing in a field shooting the bull, waiting for them to recover. Hasta came out in the field and began to squeal and walk a line. None of the other dogs could smell anything. Hasta continued to slowly work the line for at least a hundred yards. I was a little uncomfortable wondering if she was making a line. I mentioned to Randall, she has never been mouthy so I have to assume she has got the line. She passed within about ten yards behind where we were standing and on into the woods where she began her fast chop and the other dogs began to open. Then the race was on again. Without Hasta it would appear that the rabbit had cut off its scent for about a hundred yards.
There is not a houndsman on this planet that does not realize that rabbits jumped under certain circumstances and when shot at a fair percentage of the time cannot be trailed by any hound on the planet for a short distance afterward, under the very best of scenting conditions. Most know this from the time they can hold a leash, this is part of why they are houndsmen! The rest don't believe it yet.
Newt, I am not talking about big nosed dogs or poor nosed dogs! Everyone needs to get that out of their mind has nothing to do with what we are talking about! THINK! Are you telling me that you have never experienced anything different about a hound being able to smell the trail after pounding the rabbit for an hour after a shot. Of how about the dogs pounding one for a hour after you jumped one but couldn't move it until they hit it 40' down the trail ? I think everyone is so scared that someone will think their hounds have poor noses that they can't admit to not being able to smell one at any point.
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Certainly, when I had those hot nosed quick to leave the check type dogs it happened quite often.
I never said my dogs could smell a rabbit in any conditions. Rabbit scent dissipates on some material rapidly. They have checks but mostly its when a rabbit doubles and they don't have the patience to work the double correctly. Its not nose its brains in those losses. The ones that come back to the point of loss and have the nose and patience prove the scent is there most of the time.
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Parker7 you got some real hound knowledge to display, then why don't you join the conversation, I would like to hear all about what you know, LOL,LOL,LOl,LOl, isn't much. Jump right in, be nice and tell us what you know, add something positive! how about just letting us know what you know about this topic !
Lowered my opinion of your hound knowledge there, Newt! You can keep your stay on the jump type all you want and they won't smell a thing til they move down the trail, under certain conditions. Oh, yes you think your hounds are the only ones that will stay on a check I guess? has nothing to do with hounds staying on a check. And you said your hounds will prove it is there most of the time, where is the scent the REST of the time NEWT??? You know the times they don't prove it. Newt, we are not talking about the normal checks in any run, you do understand that don't you?? Just so you will know, I will cull EVERY, and I did say EVERY hound that will not stay on a check, wouldn't run one! Once again you don't have the knowledge that I once thought you had, it wasn't that you ever displayed it, it is just that you didn't as you have done today!
very simple rabbit has three different scents ,the scent gland right in front of their tail which is also their strongest scent which hits the ground as they hop along ,the bottom of feet scent which is very faint when running ,and body scent which you see dogs use when up on rabbit or in thick weeds or grass ,so rabbit hops along to lane crossing someone shoots starts running ,,dogs get to lane need look for fainter scent ,most dogs with brains figure it out,also explains pack of dogs up on rabbit yards downwind of trail running to catch,nothing better than rabbit down no gun
I don't normally like to get involved in this type of conversation but I just find this one hilarious. Let me tell you what I know about this topic gwyoung. Nothing! An that's what you know on the subject. We are all just guessing. I have seen every scenario play out that you can describe but I don't think they hit their scent off button when they want to. lol lol lol Jmo
I've seen certain types of hounds pick up the scent right after the gun was shot and others who couldn't take the track ten feet after the shot was taken.
I still believe it comes down to brains. I believe their nose plays a role in it, but a lot has to do how they process the scent.
There are ppl out there that can do things quicker and faster than others, why is that? Cause they are smarter. They process things quicker.
When a cottontail rabbit is born it is scent less. This is to provide protection until the rabbit leaves the nest. Most doe's feed their young once a day. This will provide less of a chance of predator to discover the nest. It is proven the rabbit will leave the nest in a fashion that will deter scent left to prevent predators from tracking. I have seen the dogs pound a rabbit non stop until someone called a line or shot a gun. We have been very close to a rabbit and performed a test to see if it effects the rabbit or not. Sometimes no effect and sometimes you can draw a line where you startled the rabbit and scent will drop off from some type of phenomenon. Mother Nature does this in the beginning so is it possible this is a tool of a animal of prey? My results show yes.
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