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pacheattack wrote:Myself and some friends were talking at work we were arguing they were saying Larry Bird, Jordan, Barkley, Dr. J and a few others couldnt play in the NBA today. they said NBA athletes today are to strong to fast and to athletic. I have been around long enough to see some of the greats run in little pack. the Bluebacks, waylons Bombs, cody's sharp jackson, bigtime among others. I wonder how they would run or compete with little pack dogs of today. Also list your top ten little pack hounds of all-time.
If I had the Michael Jordan of dogs , I'd have the greatest of all times (IF) . I can't even imagine
anyone ever thinking that there will ever be an equal to Michael Jordan .
after long consideration and a lot of though i will give my opinion on this subject .i rarely ever post on here. the question was asked if Bruners Big Ben and Bruners Lucky could run with Bruners Amanda the answer is YES.day after day and every day. as long as Amanda is alive Ben will never be dead.she is his daughter in every way.just runs cleaner. the desire is the same wide open.i honestly believe that there are more dogs out there today that are capable of winning the big hunt today than ever before.i think i have run aganist every dog menitioned in this post and i will agree that when you drew out with ever dog mentioned you had your hands full.Bruners Lucky won the world in 93 & 95.if i could run her & Ben & Amanda and judge them by arha little pack rules Lucky would win most of the time. Ben & Amanda would be so close that even i couldnt guess witch would come out on top.when you have people like Wayne Waits , Jimmy Abshire, David Schlaug,Jessie Painter,Windel Painter, Ron Eades,Tony Upton, the Mcquires,Kevin Monroe,Jeff Kissenger,and a lot more people with top notch dogs if you drew out with you knew it was on. i believe that dogs can only be so good at what they do. the rest in in how much they are put in the field whether its gun hunting or just running. i think most dogs dont have enough time in the field. just my honest opinion. Earl Bruner
i judged lucky many times i would say she could run with anything . i judged the finals of the world when she won talking about these hounds is started to make me fill old
Alabama John wrote:Hey Big Dog aaand SR Patch, missed your posts, right on track.
Carn said Native Girl could run a track check free by herself. That's a rabbit dog. But, that type running would not win any Little Pack trials as the 15 second rule would kill her. Happened to me once where my dog ran ahead of all the others and for all intents was running solo, check free, and when he came by after the rabbit, the judges said he was sure a rabbit dog, but, not scoring any points except the jump since he was running too solid. 'Too Solid?" a term I had never heard in Beagling. A dog that can create many checks, and that seems to know when 15 seconds is up to open on the line will score high. If you have a great track dog, you need other dogs that are 15 second check creaters in your cast to help your check recovery dog score points. The wild and crazy trial dogs do serve a purpose, thank the cast member that brought one.
WARNING: Don't bring it on a hunting trip.
If the dog is a complete dog and can run check free, then it can too be done! I have a male that when he was younger didn't do as well in ARHA as he did in AKC because he was too conservative with his mouth and let dogs beat him from behind because they would claim quickly. But when he was on his game he could run as fast solo as he could in a pack and with very few checks longer than 15 seconds. He just wouldn't let the line get cold and he'd be right on that rabbits tail. Due to a little added age and experience at 3.5 years old he started winning on a reguilar basis in ARHA LP because he became a better Jump dog and started winning casts by getting the jump and quickly locking on the line. he would finish a cast with 2-3 jump strikes and there would only be 1 check scored the entire hour. If there was a loss it would be a biggie or holed up. I've seen other casts where dogs have won in this fassion, but not many. I'd like to see more races of this sort.
I'm not a big fan of rewarding the dogs for fixing minor mistakes, because some dogs rack up score by fixing mistakes that they themselves caused in the first place. (over compeditive). I believe that there really shouldn't be any checks unless it's a real doosie (unusually smart rabbit). In my world the only checks that impress me are the really long and hard checks. I love seeing a hound fix the race from the inside when the line has been missing for several minutes and then drive it out. Dog's with stay power impress me alot! To me that's what makes a true check dog. Not a dog that cannot find the line in under a minuite so he would rather go looking for a new rabbit instead of finding the origional. I'm not saying that that you are wrong I'm just stating that if your dog can hold the line and make the turns he can win without having to check. He just has to get the Jump and not alow another dog to catch up by running the line check free. It can be done and the really great ones can do it...
I undefstand what you are saying and I like the same type dog as you have.
The problem is while you are out jumping 2-3 rabbits, other cast are running with lots of checks and recovering them after 15 seconds thus racking up points above what you got by just jumping.
To have to jump 2-3 rabbits and only have one check out of the three rabbits is outstanding, but you were lucky the rabbits went in holes so you could jump another to get several jump points. If there were no holes, you would only have one jump and hopefully your dog recovered the check and you also got the check points too.
Yes, you can win that way, but, very occasionally, just like I saw a trial where no rabbit was jumped by any dog and the winners were placed based on how hard they hunted.
Day in and day out though, a faulty dog that creates 15 second checks and quickly recovers them first will win and have letters after its name.
To have a 15 second check creator run in a cast with a no check track dog would screw up the 15 second wonder getting any points because your dog would not allow a check so none would be recovered by the whole cast.
pacheattack wrote:Myself and some friends were talking at work we were arguing they were saying Larry Bird, Jordan, Barkley, Dr. J and a few others couldnt play in the NBA today. they said NBA athletes today are to strong to fast and to athletic. I have been around long enough to see some of the greats run in little pack. the Bluebacks, waylons Bombs, cody's sharp jackson, bigtime among others. I wonder how they would run or compete with little pack dogs of today. Also list your top ten little pack hounds of all-time.
Good old post, If you look around alot of these old meat hounds blood is still flowing thru dogs.
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pacheattack wrote:Myself and some friends were talking at work we were arguing they were saying Larry Bird, Jordan, Barkley, Dr. J and a few others couldnt play in the NBA today. they said NBA athletes today are to strong to fast and to athletic. I have been around long enough to see some of the greats run in little pack. the Bluebacks, waylons Bombs, cody's sharp jackson, bigtime among others. I wonder how they would run or compete with little pack dogs of today. Also list your top ten little pack hounds of all-time.
Good old post, If you look around alot of these old meat hounds blood is still flowing thru dogs.
I just read this hole post and did not relize it was old . I knew it was to good to be true.
hills shakerag matt dillon was abeast..
willow springs mcblack and oatmeal were tuff as anything.
ricks running angel was great lp dog and was a true jump dog
preachers bible patch chief was a very good dog .
nickens sadie was a gooden .
i cant remeber the name of the dog or man that won the world hunt with a patch dog i think her name was dixie i judged her a few times tuff as nails ..
the 3 legged dog of kenneth hill i forget his name won champion and grand after his leg was cutoff....
ACTS 2:38=repent,baptised in the name of jesus christ,receive the holy ghost!
Ya know this post has held true thru time. If i may say one thing ,i have personally seen and or judged most of the dogs spoken of. Cody Sharps Mikie was later somehow traced back to the Gay line of Frank Reese anyone that layed eyes on him could identify it. Swartz Big Time would Absolutley kill a pack if the running favored him. Bruners big ben was another bad boy whoo. I think they fore dogs mentioned pocessed more hunt than ever. As stated they were all hard core rabbit hounds 1st and foremost.Field trials were for fun but rabbit hunting was serious biz.I miss them days, field trials were diffiently a blast.
When the moment of truth arrives, the point of preparation has passed.
Old School, Full Throttle ,No Bottle.
Preacher that lemon dog was dixie owned by carrol peters. True northway blood at its finest. I judged her that year in the first round. She murderd the pack. She was so far ahead I actually quit acoring her. She won it all. Great dog and owner.
When the moment of truth arrives, the point of preparation has passed.
Old School, Full Throttle ,No Bottle.
Preacher you may be right, funny back in the day i would give "Courtesy" Checks, at least the other guys felt a little better about getting it handed to em, dixie was on that day.
When the moment of truth arrives, the point of preparation has passed.
Old School, Full Throttle ,No Bottle.
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. I knew it was to good to be true.