Letter from AKC

[lebro]

has the sire and dam of pup your picking up been dna'd? good luck with your dogs and you are not the only one to learn a lesson the expensive way on this board.

[yoteslayer]

If I can't trust Joe, then im getting out of beagles. Is he not one of the top breeders in the country? In talking with him on the phone I got nothing but good vibes from him. My question is this, Why would Joe risk his reputation as a breeder over one litter of pups that he had no stake in?? That doesnt even make sense. I honestly beleive that Joe had nothing to do with the basset blood, especially when Dick Frank has basset hounds on his place. Honestly if beagles are this dirty, im going back to coyote hunting. There are no pedigrees in coyote hunting, all dogs are grade and they either got it or they dont. If they have what it takes you breed them with something else that does the same. As far as if they have been DNA'd I do not know that, I shouldnt have to worry about it in my opinion.

[warddog]

It will be interesting to see how this ALL pans out. All I know is if papers and walls could talk there would be a whole lot of folks in trouble and it's not new!

[Farwest]

If I can't trust Joe, then im getting out of beagles. Is he not one of the top breeders in the country? In talking with him on the phone I got nothing but good vibes from him. My question is this, Why would Joe risk his reputation as a breeder over one litter of pups that he had no stake in?? That doesnt even make sense. I honestly beleive that Joe had nothing to do with the basset blood, especially when Dick Frank has basset hounds on his place. Honestly if beagles are this dirty, im going back to coyote hunting. There are no pedigrees in coyote hunting, all dogs are grade and they either got it or they dont. If they have what it takes you breed them with something else that does the same. As far as if they have been DNA'd I do not know that, I shouldnt have to worry about it in my opinion.

Not saying Joe had anything to do with this but he just got back into the AKC after a 10 year ban. I certainly wouldn't get out of beagles for anything he does.

[GlaciarRidge]

To All,

I was going to stay out of this because internet boards are not my thing and basically nothing ever really gets solved on them. They would be a good tool if used properly but it seems 90% of what goes on on them is destructive in some way or another. Although I have a lot of opinions and stuff I could say I will try not to go down that road. I just have a couple issues with this post in general.

1. In the beginning of this post there is a lot of hostility. This of course was done before any information was gathered and nobody knew who the involved parties were going to be. After it was found out who was involved the attitude changed. It was concluded that due to the parties that are involved and being reputiple breeders in beagles, this would all be straightened out and all would now turn out good. Now I am not saying this shouldn't be the attitude taken. Just saying before we jump to conclusions and started with the hostility, a little research may have been a good thing. I can only assume it was expected that the problem was going to be found on the bottom side of the pedigree where the names are not so well known. Perhaps you should have given everyone the same trust you are now giving the involved parties.

2. Before anyone goes calling for AKC to do a investigation on anyone else's dogs you should have a reason for doing so. You call for a AKC DNA test on Glacier Ridge Renegade and several other hounds on the bottom side of this pedigree where no problem was found. I would like to know the reason for this. As far as I can see from this post and what I know of him, no dog has ever been questioned in his lineage. Second just because he insn't attached to some well know Kennel name does not mean he may not already be tested.

Now with that being said I do agree 100% with MyBeagles that all dogs involved in breeding male and female should be required by AKC to be tested. It would solve a lot of headaches.

Mark Maccani
Glacier Ridge Beagles

[yoteslayer]

Step into my shoes and tell me you wouldnt have been mad at first. I was originallyhostile because i figured the guy i boughthim from swapped papers. I never thought for a second it was done by the breeders. It never crossed my mind. After speaking with AKC i found out where the problem was. I started this thread, thinking paper swapping, now that i know the truth of what happened im not that mad about it because i honestly think it was a mistake and unintentional. It has nothing to do with who is involved as i dont personally know any of them. As far as the DNA test for all hounds i think he said the only way to completely clear all hounds on this pedigree is to DNA them all and be done with it.

[yoteslayer]

I was over all of this, until i read your post. You are awful vein to think someone was pointing at ypur dog when the only mention of renegade was with all the grandparents of my hound. I dont know you or anyone else involved in this but you seem to be the only one who is offended by my post. Get over yourself as everyone knew 2 days ago where the issue is. If i find out that anyone did this on purpose, i will keep my promise to post that info for all to see, no matter who it is. And i had such a good attitude yeaterday....... darn!!!

[intrepid]

Mark, there's more to the story. I'm the one that started the hostility. Ryan just wanted a rabbit dog. I'm the one that pushed him into getting that pup.because i seen sum of the dogs in that pedigree. He's not trying to bash anybody or there hounds. If you want, call me. Dan Luedtke. 608 306-2406.

[new kid on the block]

I don't know anybody on this post,famous dogs or breeders. If you put your situations on this board,it means everybody has a right to say what they think, so here i go. I don't think you getting a basset beagle was a breeding mistake. Whoever did the breeding knew something wasn't right. You have a right to be upset. Who wouldn't be.I wish I had a pup to give you. I didn't think breeding was that serious that you would have to get over on somebody just to make a dollar. You can't get rich selling beagles,so why put bull_ _ _ _in the game.

[yoteslayer]

I honestly thought this started because of paper swapping. Im gonna leave it at this, i have a feeling that AKC will figure it out. They will go back as far as they see fit to keep the integrity of the breed. I love beagles and hunting rabbits, as soon as i find a few hounds i like. Im done with everyone else, Ill breed my own then. Thanks for everyones support and help over this unfortunate deal. Ill be fine and i dont expect any hand outs.

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

I honestly thought this started because of paper swapping. Im gonna leave it at this, i have a feeling that AKC will figure it out. They will go back as far as they see fit to keep the integrity of the breed. I love beagles and hunting rabbits, as soon as i find a few hounds i like. Im done with everyone else, Ill breed my own then. Thanks for everyones support and help over this unfortunate deal. Ill be fine and i dont expect any hand outs.

Yea I don't have any problems itsyourmoney, but to sell a VW at a Lincoln price is FU in my opinion which means notta. I ain't the sharpest however I do know a beagle from a basset . Guaranteed so did the breeder.

[S.R.Patch]

To All,

I was going to stay out of this because internet boards are not my thing and basically nothing ever really gets solved on them. They would be a good tool if used properly but it seems 90% of what goes on on them is destructive in some way or another. Although I have a lot of opinions and stuff I could say I will try not to go down that road. I just have a couple issues with this post in general.

1. In the beginning of this post there is a lot of hostility. This of course was done before any information was gathered and nobody knew who the involved parties were going to be. After it was found out who was involved the attitude changed. It was concluded that due to the parties that are involved and being reputiple breeders in beagles, this would all be straightened out and all would now turn out good. Now I am not saying this shouldn't be the attitude taken. Just saying before we jump to conclusions and started with the hostility, a little research may have been a good thing. I can only assume it was expected that the problem was going to be found on the bottom side of the pedigree where the names are not so well known. Perhaps you should have given everyone the same trust you are now giving the involved parties.

2. Before anyone goes calling for AKC to do a investigation on anyone else's dogs you should have a reason for doing so. You call for a AKC DNA test on Glacier Ridge Renegade and several other hounds on the bottom side of this pedigree where no problem was found. I would like to know the reason for this. As far as I can see from this post and what I know of him, no dog has ever been questioned in his lineage. Second just because he insn't attached to some well know Kennel name does not mean he may not already be tested.

Now with that being said I do agree 100% with MyBeagles that all dogs involved in breeding male and female should be required by AKC to be tested. It would solve a lot of headaches.

Mark Maccani
Glacier Ridge Beagles

So, since you agree 100% and 100% is a very strong feeling that all hounds male/female used in any breeding should be DNA profiled, and this doesn't mean started after 7 breeding's, but before the first of any breeding(to insure lineage), we can assume you already have this "feeling" in practice at your kennel? (All I'm saying is "be careful what you wish for $$$") talk is cheap.
Do these DNA companies sell publicly traded shares of stock? I want some before all this starts. Maybe since AKC is in the insurance selling business now, maybe we could start buying insurance policies through them to insure the pedigree of our hounds? The cost incurred to breeders... and the money made by AKC and the DNA companies could be just the ticket. I think we just figured a way to save AKC and the Breed, but put alot of breeders and future rabbit hunters out of business. The bottle neck this would create in the gene pool would surely be as good for the breed as leasing up all the hunting grounds for deer hunters.
Yup, more laws and rules to quench our fears seems to be the answer to most anythings now-n-days. More gun laws and higher priced ammo, who's for it?

Just to dispel any doubts people may have, maybe you and mybeagles can list the number and names of all your hounds who have been DNA profiled and the number of breeding you've both made where both hound involved have been DNA profiled. Of course, this should equal 100% with such strong feelings.

If I'm going have integrity questioned and liberties lost by the choosing of others, I want to first make sure those that would take them from me have "tested the waters" and proven it best, before they push me in...

[yoteslayer]

I honestly thought this started because of paper swapping. Im gonna leave it at this, i have a feeling that AKC will figure it out. They will go back as far as they see fit to keep the integrity of the breed. I love beagles and hunting rabbits, as soon as i find a few hounds i like. Im done with everyone else, Ill breed my own then. Thanks for everyones support and help over this unfortunate deal. Ill be fine and i dont expect any hand outs.

Yea I don't have any problems itsyourmoney, but to sell a VW at a Lincoln price is FU in my opinion which means notta. I ain't the sharpest however I do know a beagle from a basset . Guaranteed so did the breeder.

Im still waiting to see a pic of coal mine specks, if anyone has one. Intrepid and i have been calling my hound a basset hound for 6 months.

[S.R.Patch]

I honestly thought this started because of paper swapping. Im gonna leave it at this, i have a feeling that AKC will figure it out. They will go back as far as they see fit to keep the integrity of the breed. I love beagles and hunting rabbits, as soon as i find a few hounds i like. Im done with everyone else, Ill breed my own then. Thanks for everyones support and help over this unfortunate deal. Ill be fine and i dont expect any hand outs.

Yea I don't have any problems itsyourmoney, but to sell a VW at a Lincoln price is FU in my opinion which means notta. I ain't the sharpest however I do know a beagle from a basset . Guaranteed so did the breeder.

Im still waiting to see a pic of coal mine specks, if anyone has one. Intrepid and i have been calling my hound a basset hound for 6 months.

In old Europe, your hound would have an appendix (ie... "In documents: Addendum, any addition to a document,such as a book or legal contract") the letter "B". When developing the breeds, any outcross to another breed was denoted by adding a letter after the hound entered. If Speck was the result of the first outcross, he would have the letter "A" after his name. Then when he was bred to another beagle, the resulting puppies would be enter with the letter "B" after their name(your puppy). When those puppies were inturn bred to another beagle, the resulting puppies would have the letter "C" after their name. On the next generation from these puppies being bred to another beagle, the letter on those puppies would go away, as it was felt the breeding % wise was back to beagle again.
Just a bit of history, if you care...

[rabbit chaser]

any idea if specks is still alive and if so who has him now OR who owned him when he was winning his title?