10 DOGS IS IT POSSIBLE

[Alabama John]

GWyoung,

You Got it!

[bigdogpace]

LEE I NO HOW TO DO IT I JUST CANT GET THE QUALITY OF BITCHES TO BREED AND I LOST MY PUPS OUT OF WILLIE I CULL EXTREMELY HARD AIN'T KEEPING ADOG IDONT LIKE . AINT BREEDING ADOG I DONT LIKE AND I KNOW U DONT EITHER U HAVE ALOT MORE TO CHOOSE FROM THAN I DO. ITS HARD TO EXPLAIN . DOWN HERE ON COAST NOBODY RUNS DOGS LIKE I DO SAME TYPE I MEAN I DONT HAVE MANY TO LOOK AT AND I DONT TRIAL. SO I DONT KNOW WHATS WHAT I KINDA HAVE TO RAISE THEM . LUCKY IF I KEEP 1 OUT OF A LITTER . IF U ONLY GOT 3OR 4 BROOD DOGS NO MALES IN THE AREA ITS HARD A MAN HAS TO WEAR MY SHOES. TO KNOW HOPE I COULD HAVE DOGS LIKE U 1 DAY BUT NOT LOOKING GOOD .

[Charles Philpot]

Barry, get ahold Ken and try some of them red dogs. He sent me some nice looking pictures of a litter of red pups.

[mobeagle]

Why would anyone run 10 or more hounds? BECAUSE it's awesome to hear and watch a pack of compatible hounds run its game. I run 99% in the large pack on hare trials and hunt 99% hare, usually 6-8 hounds. We forget our hounds are pack hounds. I don't have time to solo hounds and own 4-6 at a time. I see hounds that are rabbit machines when alone...drop 1/2 doz. hounds down and they can't handle the pressure and they come unglued. All my hounds that i have now are related except 1, but she slid in seamlessly. The hounds sort each other out and you can watch pack dynamics take over. I like to mix up to some degree..drivers and checkers....it makes for an exciting hunt. Some say if you have the " checkers " you dont need the more drive hound..maybe but it's more fun to watch and listen to. And my "drive" hounds are just a touch more in the pack. I judged a bunch of lp-h and it's awesome to watch when you pick up a few disruptive hounds and a pack leader emerges and she strings out the pack, like a train going thru the swamps and dry ground. Saw NLPC/FC Nemasket's Big Spring do such a thing the first time I judged her and said gotta get me some of that! And so I did. Run what ya brung and enjoy. Campbell

Still dont understand this type of running. Dont get me wrong I've seen 16 dogs on the ground at once it sure looked cool and even sounded cool just wasnt necessary. Problem was I'd have shot dog 4-16 for babbling on a track that was covered up by a dozen other dogs and not pushing for the front and trying to catch its game. Really how much scent was there by the time all the other dogs ran over it. What exactly is dog 4-10 doing? So basically you've got a 10 dog pack with 2 or 3 good hounds and 7 or 8 me tooers. Or are dogs 1-3 really so bad that number 10 is gona come along and make the check all the way from the back? I'll just have to disagree with all of this. Drivers and checkers? Dont understand this either. If my dog wont drive and check it wont be my dog long. I'll take 2 complete dogs running together over a pack of 100 any day. JMO.... To each is own. Happy hunting.

[Lee Cockman]

If I have to solo a dog to make it a rabbit dog. I will never own a rabbit dog. There are good ones Bigdog. Last year I started out with 8 young dogs. Do you know how many at the end of gun season was still in the pack? NONE! Do you know how many I sold? NONE! If he or she does not suite me he or she is not for sale. JMHO! This year seems to be the extreme oposite. Culled one out of eight. Dog was breed out of this world. Not going to call out. But suppose to be one of the best crosses out there. But I did give the dogs a chance. I do not run one day a week or once every other month and then cull. I run my dogs. If you have to solo to build a pack I would nvere have a pack. Beagles are known as pack dogs. Not as a SOLO dog! Rather here a pack run any day over a single dog. JMHO! My advice CULL HARD BUT GIVE THE DOG YOU ARE CULLING A CHANCE! I am guilty of culling to quick as well!

[mobeagle]

If I have to solo a dog to make it a rabbit dog. I will never own a rabbit dog. There are good ones Bigdog. Last year I started out with 8 young dogs. Do you know how many at the end of gun season was still in the pack? NONE! Do you know how many I sold? NONE! If he or she does not suite me he or she is not for sale. JMHO! This year seems to be the extreme oposite. Culled one out of eight. Dog was breed out of this world. Not going to call out. But suppose to be one of the best crosses out there. But I did give the dogs a chance. I do not run one day a week or once every other month and then cull. I run my dogs. If you have to solo to build a pack I would nvere have a pack. Beagles are known as pack dogs. Not as a SOLO dog! Rather here a pack run any day over a single dog. JMHO! My advice CULL HARD BUT GIVE THE DOG YOU ARE CULLING A CHANCE! I am guilty of culling to quick as well!

Thats a good honest post there. Alot of people wouldnt admit to having 8 pups none of wich turned out. Honestly the real problem is most people probably would have kept all or most of them or sold them instead of doing the right thing and culling hard. Some people would say your doing something wrong to have 8 young dogs that dont make it. I'd say your doin the world a favor by culling hard and weeding out anything that doesnt fit what a hound should be. Trial and error. Sometimes the best crosses dont produce the best dogs. I dont believe in running big packs so I'm not gona get into that whole discussion again but I do agree that a dog doenst need to be solo'd. I push my young dogs with the best dogs I can drop them with if they cant handle the pressure of hunting with good dogs I dont want them. They learn to hunt hard and run a track fast or they just dont make it, simple as that. Two or 3 dogs at a time is all we run. I have a 13 month old male I ran 3 nights a week all summer long with the best dogs in our pack, NEVER ran him with an old slow dog, NEVER solo'd him and by the end of the summer he was running out front. I dont believe we'd have maximized his potential by letting him run at his own pace or with a slow dog, by running him with the best and the fastest dogs we owned he was forced to work hard and fast if he wanted to be a real factor in a race and if the dog has the heart and the brains I want he/she will figure it out thats how we start all of our young dogs. A dog that doesnt figure it out doesnt have the heart or want to that I want in a dog anyway. I hear this about some of them cant take the pressure at an early age....if they cant take it they dont have the heart you want, cull them.

[TC]

Mobeagle
Some Folks get it and Some dont but until you have experienced a REAL PACK run Dont knock em!! Its hard to Explain to Somebody who dont want to understand but GO AND WATCH a TRUE PACK run then you will understand..The pack Works together there is No DOWN time if the rabbit goes to a Hole you Will Know it.A true uniform pack of hounds same height same coloration ect is something to watch.until you have seen them running 4 abreast and see the rabbit running for its life trying every trick in the book to elude the pack you will never Understand it....not everybody's cup of tea for sure but i sure wouldn't shrudge it off until you have been able to EXPERIENCE it for YOURSELF!! Each hound KNOWS its place in the Pack but can also run anyplace within the pack or Solo if need be..
Now as for myself I LOVE to Watch a Hound Solo by itself a lot When learning or just needing some time by itself I do truly think it helps certain hounds nothing like watching that hound pick up the scent from a double or working out that check where the rabbit went up on a log and jumped off twenty feet later i usually like to Run 3 to 5 hounds at a time and depending on the day which ones i run or the terrain i am going to hunt decides which hounds i run, there are a few that I will run all the time with each pack but are usually older more seasoned hounds who have ran with each other on a consistent basis Each hound seems to know what the other is doing have you ever had a hound that as soon as he/She opens all the other drop what they are doing and go to it because they KNOW just imagine a true pack working together knowing what each other is doing or going to do and you will have a better idea of what running a true pack is.

[mobeagle]

Mobeagle
Some Folks get it and Some dont but until you have experienced a REAL PACK run Dont knock em!! Its hard to Explain to Somebody who dont want to understand but GO AND WATCH a TRUE PACK run then you will understand..The pack Works together there is No DOWN time if the rabbit goes to a Hole you Will Know it.A true uniform pack of hounds same height same coloration ect is something to watch.until you have seen them running 4 abreast and see the rabbit running for its life trying every trick in the book to elude the pack you will never Understand it....not everybody's cup of tea for sure but i sure wouldn't shrudge it off until you have been able to EXPERIENCE it for YOURSELF!! Each hound KNOWS its place in the Pack but can also run anyplace within the pack or Solo if need be..
Now as for myself I LOVE to Watch a Hound Solo by itself a lot When learning or just needing some time by itself I do truly think it helps certain hounds nothing like watching that hound pick up the scent from a double or working out that check where the rabbit went up on a log and jumped off twenty feet later i usually like to Run 3 to 5 hounds at a time and depending on the day which ones i run or the terrain i am going to hunt decides which hounds i run, there are a few that I will run all the time with each pack but are usually older more seasoned hounds who have ran with each other on a consistent basis Each hound seems to know what the other is doing have you ever had a hound that as soon as he/She opens all the other drop what they are doing and go to it because they KNOW just imagine a true pack working together knowing what each other is doing or going to do and you will have a better idea of what running a true pack is.

Wasnt my intent to knock it. I just dont believe a 10 dog pack will put any more pressure on a rabbit than 2 or 3 good dogs will. I don't believe its my place to tell anyone how to hunt, I just want all my dogs working for the front not content in the pack to stare at the rear end of another dog. I very rarely even carry a gun and personally have shot maybe 1 or 2 coyotes the last 5 years and 2 or 3 rabbits. I go for nothing more than dog work, and I want my dogs to catch their game. I am not knocking large pack hunting at all, just disagree that there is any benefit to having more than 2 or 3 dogs on the ground at once.

[jason38]

Boys its just what you like, aford and have time for if i was retired i would have 20 dogs but all i have time for is three.

[bigdogpace]

mobeagler with all due respect u dont understand the jest of this post . and what it is to hear abigpack of dogs run any kind of game i had good sucess in foxhunting . but have come up short in rabbit dogs if u dont understand what im trying todo u never will i dont run me tooers or dogs satisfied at back of the pack all the time arabbit gives off sent n more places than his feet . and abig pack can run and catch him with sucess. i have not added adog to my pack n 3 yrs. ive culled everone up till now . and they have not been on this board as best dog n the world. give away as pets deer dogs and others . im trying 3 dogs now that i think will make it will know after deer seasons ends 1 more wk. mayb i will have sucess i day and get my ten dogs i hope so that would b adream come true . mayb. old lee will help ive purchased pups from him im waiting to start and have anice bitch to breed when she comes n .

[Haire-Bear]

mobeagle, it's just what i enjoy. I wouldn't call it me toeing it's honoring the pack. I like a pack where the front changes, who grabs the checks changes, but over time a dominant hound will emerge for the conditions of that day, and conditions do matter, and what hounds strengths and weakness are and some hound fills the slight weakness of the other. That's why I like closely related hounds, usually they are compatible. And yes I do believe 4-10 can smell the rabbit/hare, because once and a while you will see a hound stop put his nose down take a good whiff and open up and get back up with the rest of them, actually seen it in a pack of 30 at a LP-H Trial. I also don't believe a hound has to have his head down 2-3" off the ground either, seen some very nice hounds run head up,straight at the shoulder just hammering. I know you never made that point good or bad, just sayin'. So it is possible to run 10 dogs, just if you want to or not is the question. Nice conversation, Campbell

[mobeagle]

mobeagler with all due respect u dont understand the jest of this post . and what it is to hear abigpack of dogs run any kind of game i had good sucess in foxhunting . but have come up short in rabbit dogs if u dont understand what im trying todo u never will i dont run me tooers or dogs satisfied at back of the pack all the time arabbit gives off sent n more places than his feet . and abig pack can run and catch him with sucess. i have not added adog to my pack n 3 yrs. ive culled everone up till now . and they have not been on this board as best dog n the world. give away as pets deer dogs and others . im trying 3 dogs now that i think will make it will know after deer seasons ends 1 more wk. mayb i will have sucess i day and get my ten dogs i hope so that would b adream come true . mayb. old lee will help ive purchased pups from him im waiting to start and have anice bitch to breed when she comes n .

I assure you I know what it is to hear a big pack of dogs run!!!!! I completely understand how it awesome it is to. My point is that a good pack of 2-3 can run its game just as well as a pack of 10 thats all. I dont mean anyone disrespect if thats what they enjoy I'm just of the belief that a good 2-3 can run as good or better than a larger pack. What do you think these races below sounded like?!?!?!?!

[bigdogpace]

they sounded like my kind of race im sure

[S.R.Patch]

Bet them hounds could make a couple 5 gallon buckets of feed disappear real quick...
Them's some run'un hounds...

[bigdogpace]

THEY REMIND ME OF MY FOXHUNTING DAYS THATS AN AWSOME SIGHT