Murray Energy lays off 150 workers-Coal

[Rabbithoundjb]

The closings and layoffs just keep coming. After this tax increase gets passed watch the flood gates open.

[Newt]

Obama said, you didn't destroy this country, I did it by myself. Forward!

[rollcenter]

Don't confuse all us Eastern KY guys with PMB, most of us here are proud to go to work everyday, not go to the mailbox for a payday.

Obama and his EPA are crippling this area, I see it everyday. From tighter emission regulations that essentially will kill the burning of coal to the over reaching of the EPA to over see Mountain Top Removal mining.

[Chuck Prather]

I know alot of great people from KY and we know PMB is not your typical KY boy. I think he belongs in San Francisco CA! Lol! Holding his rainbow flag!

[Pine Mt Beagles]

Re: Murray Energy lays off 150 workers-Coal
by rollcenter » Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:00 pm

Don't confuse all us Eastern KY guys with PMB, most of us here are proud to go to work everyday, not go to the mailbox for a payday.

Obama and his EPA are crippling this area, I see it everyday. From tighter emission regulations that essentially will kill the burning of coal to the over reaching of the EPA to over see Mountain Top Removal mining.
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-First -Roll Over

I don't go to the mail box and get My Social Security check,It magically show's up in my account monthly,And just so you know I crawled many of a mile to earn it.

as For the President ,we only had one choice
,---But -fact is The President has done absolutely nothing to coal,the E.P.A. has not been doing their job for year's ,and nothing has changed there ,coal Companies are just using this ,for a excuse to cut wages and lay off people ,so they can hire back later with no benefit's and lower wage's.
A couple of thing's -If you want to help Coal get rid of Mitch McDonnell,and I would advise buying some stock in natural gas,,These power plant's that burn coal are just to greedy to get their plant's up to date and as much ,as I love the coal industry, I like breathing as well -and clean air is not an option it's a necessity,and Global warming is real.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

Chucky Boy,
I was born as far back in these Ky hill's as you can get ,there is no such thing ,as ,being more Of a Kentucky boy THAN, I am ,But ,I have been to San Francisco, Ca.--Los Angles.

[Chuck Prather]

Well go back to San Francisco and do KY a favor! Lol

[Pine Mt Beagles]

No Way Brother
I am dug in like an Alabama tick.I've ate enough coal dust and rock dust ,they want even have to burry me ,just throw me in a spoil pile.

[Bunnyblaster]

I know this is a waist of my time but PMB, do you not remember Obama saying he would make it too expensive for coal plants to operate? Blame it on the EPA all you want but by his own words he should be credited for at least some of it. What do you think about his comments on coal? And understand, I don't place all the blame on one person or group. But to deny his resentment/dislike of most fossil fuel technology is ignorant.

This is another area where ideology comes in. I believe in general republicans are more pro exploration/development of our own natural resources while democrats tend to fight it tooth and nail.....jmo. And don't give me the speech about how oil production is up because while privately owned land production is up federal leases for exploration and production are down. Look up the numbers......total production is down not up. Yet another example, be either side, of giving just the information you want people to see.

And on another note. Regardless of who is and has been president why do we continue to sell our resources to others and then buy them back once they are refined? If is saves money and makes sense then fine but if we can do it cheaper ourselves then why? I have chickens at my house and I don't sell my eggs to the local restaurant so I can go back in there later to buy an omelet!!

Now that being said, technology changes and with natural gas being cheaper and more readily available coal may unfortunately become obsolete in the future. But I don't think it should be shoved that way because of environmentalists either.

[rollcenter]

I should know better than to argue with someone who really does not understand what he's even talking about, but I guess I will go against my better judgement and do it anyway.

PMB,

Do you REALLY believe that the EPAs regulations has not hurt our coalfields?

You seem to have looked right over my comment about Mountain Top Removal. What about the spruce Mine permit that was granted, then ungramted, then granted again and again?

Funny thing, you made a living working in the mines now you don't care about your fellow miners loosing jobs everyday now that your not one of them anymore.

I guess being on the draw changes people!!

[Pine Mt Beagles]

Rollover
I do care about the coal industry,more than most The area where I live survives on coal,But ,The problem is not The E.P.A. and most definately is not the President,as I type this I am looking at at least a 1000 acres of mountain top that as been removed and reclaimed ,good deer hunting and rabbit hunting,
The problem with coal is not the coal mines under ground or surface the problem is with the power plant's ,who choose NOT TO COMPLY with regulation's decades before this President,about the only problem local mines have is they may have to build a pond or ditch to catch run off,to keep it out of creek's and river's,and I will add they are not doing a very good job.I am not familar with the Spruce mine permit issue.
If power plant's had kept up with the regulaton's there would be no problem with mining coal.to burn ,But that said these Coal Companies who get violation's constantly for turning sludge into the river's have to delt with.I don't have a problem with mountain top removal, But I do know it was a problem many year's ago not just under this President that is where the tear is ,mountain top removal permit's were hard to get in the 1980's.
As for me being on the Draw ,I worked for it what I get,what will you get when you get cripled up if you work in mining ,SSI.food stamp's I have never got either.

Bunny blaster
That is a good post I watched the President he told the Power companies up front get their furnacies into the 21 St century,But they have been told this before, The power companies choose not ,to do it ,,while these power companies that burn coal let their plant's run down and didn't keep them up to date,and bank that moey electric bill's ave went through the roof.
Just to be clear the President said the companies have to clean up their burning process.


But,,,since you put it in the term's of what the President said --I am sure you saw Romney stand in front of that coal plant and say this kill's people and I will shut it down.did you see that,and what do you think Romney would have changed for coal.

Natural Gas is making money right now it's cleaner and cheaper ,,But I don't think coal is obsolute,the company across he river from my house has put -4-deep mines in over the last -2-year's,and was hauling out of several strip pit's.

When it come's down to the fact's Coal-Oil-Gas -Pipe Line's -Tar Pit's -are not Political --The Clean air is Political,The Republican's ,want to turn companies loose to polute the air way's and Lake's and River's,in the name of creating Job's,he Democrat's ,say Mine,Drill ,and pipe all you want to ,,just do it clean and safe,Protect the environment .

[S.R.Patch]

"This is not your father's Oldsmobile"
I can agree with you on the fact that the greed and the "kicking the can down the road" has gotten the power Co's where they are today. We new about this over 35 yr ago. some were grandfathered in on limited timeline.
Why the Co that took us had no understanding of how a regulated utility worked and that they had to put back a percentage of the money made, for repairs and upgrades, they just took all the money an said "patch it an run", the IURC changed their minds tho...
Hard times are not all bad, it makes the non-productive riding the milk wagon exposed, those that got to where they are on good social graces have to show up an perform or get out. We are so heavy at the top with layers upon layers of socialites, while the operations and crafts run on skeleton crews, it is bound to topple over unless someone of good sense and business operation takes over and changes things. The leaders the Co's have now are politicians not businessmen. jmho

[Bunnyblaster]

Pmb, I am at a loss for the statement you say Romney made.......I guess I would like to read the quote if you can tell me where it is. I did however hear Obama say he would make it so expensive to operate a coal burning facility that they would go bankrupt if they chose to build one. So in that sense how is that helping anyone?? And as far as for being environmentally friendly why did the Keystone pipeline get held up? Dig through that load of b.s. and tell me it was in our country's best interest.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

Bunnyblaster

Here read this and the fact it has been proven true.

But-Remember what the Presiden said He told power plant's they would have to clean up their act.---He said nothing about Mining of coal.

Now Romney's --Stance on Coal--But ,also Remember ,Romney did so much flip floping Most American's thought he was rolling.

[Rated True:
Romney stood in front of a coal plant, pointed at it and said, ‘This plant kills.’”
October 17, 2012
By Anomaly
The difference between the debate Tuesday night and the first Presidential debate was vast. While speaking in the Town Hall setting in New York, both candidates spoke of oil, coal and energy.

President Obama said that Republican candidate Mitt Romney changed his tune on coal, stating that in Massachusetts he ”stood in front of a coal plant and pointed at it and said, ‘This plant kills.”

PolitiFact:

Obama said Romney has changed his tune about coal, claiming that in Massachusetts he “stood in front of a coal plant and pointed at it and said, ‘This plant kills.’”

Romney was the newly elected governor when a showdown erupted over the coal-burning Salem Harbor Power Station. Obama quoted Romney accurately when he said the governor entered the controversy by saying the plant “kills people.”

We rate his statement True.

[Rabbithoundjb]

IS ROMNEY THE PRESIDENT CLOSING COAL PLANTS AND WATCHING MINERS LOOSE THEIR JOBS. NO!!!!!!!!