INCORRECT PEDIGRES

[greg beck]

I HAVE A FRIEND OF MINE THAT HAS A NICE YOUNG MALE THAT HAS BEEN BRED TO SEVERAL FEMALES. HE HAD THE DOG PROFILED AND AKC TOLD HIM THAT THE SIRE ON THE PEDIGREE WAS NOT CORRECT. I THOUGHT THIS WAS A THING OF THE PAST. IS THIS STILL A MAJOR PROBLEM WITH BEAGLES. FEEL FREE TO VOICE YOUR THOUGHTS

[bigdogpace]

it always has been a problem and always will b if we really knew what dogs that were not actually true it would scare u.

[Mo. Beagler 5000]

it always has been a problem and always will b if we really knew what dogs that were not actually true it would scare u.

Especially about 15 -20 years ago.. I wasn't into beagles then but I know A TON of people that would fake papers on dogs.. I mean a LOT of them.. Dna is helping in a big way to eliminate that kind of shenanigans but its still an issue.

[grosswdg]

Greg i know the dog you are talking about and i let Johnny take one of my females and raise him some pups and Johnny wanted to make sure that his dog was right and i don't think the dog is 2 years old yet and my female was the first he breed but he sent off and got his male the DNA and it come back not sure of the sire.Hopefully they will get to the bottom of this.I feel for Johnny because he has put alot of time in his male and he his a good guy to.

[mybeagles]

There is so much talk about this bloodline or that bloodline. Most of the pedigree's are so fake and jumbled up that dogs are not even close to what they claim to be. Which brings you back to evaluating a hound on its individual performance and traits, not a pedigree or bloodline.

Mybeagles

[likeemfast]

So basically since most pedigrees are bogus, most of you trialers are running grade dogs? Is that what your telling us since we cant believe a pedigree is correct? Thats good news, cuz now all dogs will be sold as grade. WOOHOO!!! Mybeagles, who pissed in your cheerios?

[CAP]

Until we are all ready to pay $75 to register a dog, which would include a DNA test, this will never be totally stopped.

[beagler29431]

We had this happen years ago to a female we purchased from someone we trusted. We had her DNA profiled and raised a litter of pups out of her. A few years later we received a letter from AKC that someone had DNA profiled her sire and that it was really NOT her sire! Her registration and the registration of all of her offspring was cancelled, we still to this day do not have any idea who her sire is/was as her breeder was no longer speaking with us.

We now DNA profile all of our dogs (males & females) to try and insure this doesn't happen again.

Just don't see the point in faking a dog's papers, it only hurts the Beagle breed.

[Mo. Beagler 5000]

We had this happen years ago to a female we purchased from someone we trusted. We had her DNA profiled and raised a litter of pups out of her. A few years later we received a letter from AKC that someone had DNA profiled her sire and that it was really NOT her sire! Her registration and the registration of all of her offspring was cancelled, we still to this day do not have any idea who her sire is/was as her breeder was no longer speaking with us.

We now DNA profile all of our dogs (males & females) to try and insure this doesn't happen again.

Just don't see the point in faking a dog's papers, it only hurts the Beagle breed.

hurt the breed to help the pocket unfortunately..

[mybeagles]

Likemfast,
I don't think its the trialers as much as the dog jokeys trying to make money selling beagles knowing they can get more money with a strong field trial pedigree. Nobody peed in my Chereos can I no longer voice an opinion or observation? I didn't single anyone out unless you feel I was ruining your fantasy of the best bloodline.....ease up man. I don't place much stock in the pedigrees but rather the individual ability of the hound. Pedigrees are more for reading in front of the fireplace on a cold winter night. I don't think bogus pedegrees do near as much damage as breeding pedigree over ability. Just my opinion......

Mybeagles

[warddog]

All dogs were grade at one time or another until someone (registry) started to keep records of such. AKC has been around long enough to have a pretty good data base to be able to put a history of a dogs ancestry together from their closed registry meaning they only register dogs that come from AKC registered ancesters. The other registries such as UKC, ARHA and PKC have and still do allow single registration which is basically grade because of not being able to verify one ancestor or the other. I go back far enough in registering coonhounds in UKC to remember single registered hounds had yellow registration papers in lieu of purple. I remember the first beagle that I UKC registered was as foundation stock and if I remember correctly it had yellow papers as well. Minus DNA profiling any registered dog could be grade and in fact has evolved from grade regardless of the registry.

[likeemfast]

There is so much talk about this bloodline or that bloodline. Most of the pedigree's are so fake and jumbled up that dogs are not even close to what they claim to be. Which brings you back to evaluating a hound on its individual performance and traits, not a pedigree or bloodline.

Mybeagles

Mybeagles, no sir, you didnt ruin any fantasy of mine as far as gundog bloodlines but on both posts you say evaluate each dog, which i agree with you on that. When you say most pedigrees are fake and jumbled up tho makes me wonder. Why put importance on bloodlines and pedigrees when most of them arent actually accurate, according to your statement. Your basically saying most of these hounds are grade hounds because their pedigrees arent actually true. I personally dont care if i have a pack of mongrels, as long as they hunt hard and chase to catch and fill the tailgate. I will purchase a grade hound as quick as i would a FC if its what i like, and im just a gunhunter. What i do believe tho is there are guys with bloodlines that are doing it correctly and turning out quality hounds. I believe its nice to give some of them kudos once in a while and not have someone say bloodlines mean nothing. I usually agree with most of what i read that you post, this topic i dont. JMO.

[mybeagles]

Amazing how much we agree yet seem to be at odds. Most of the bloodlines listed were started many years ago and the originators are deceased. The name of the bloodline lives on but mainly for someone to profit from.

I wonder what would happen to the breed if there were no pedigrees or bloodlines?
Mybeagles

[littlewoody]

There is so much talk about this bloodline or that bloodline. Most of the pedigree's are so fake and jumbled up that dogs are not even close to what they claim to be. Which brings you back to evaluating a hound on its individual performance and traits, not a pedigree or bloodline.

Mybeagles

I only buy pups and go by pedigree only . My last pup I have DNA on him.

[greg beck]

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