OBAMA Wins!!!!!!!

[Rabbithoundjb]

Beaglehandler a lot of what you said is true except that Bush did none of the dereglating that led to the financial crisis that collapsed the economy that was done by Clinton. You are exactly right that niether party is going to put the middle class working americans as their number one priority but you still have to choose the one who is going to damage the country the least and hope that sooner rather than later you can choose one thats actually helps.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

by Pine Lakes » Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:40 pm

Pine Mt Beagles wrote:
I have heard no one say this President is perfect ,,every one know's that .

Just like ,I don't expect Republican's, to believe anything he has done for you.

But,The Majority of American's disagree with most of you ,and that is a good thing ,I believe in disagreement ,no one would ever learn anything if every one agreed on every thing.I learn something from you guy's every day.


He's perfect in your eyes. You have never made one post about Obama that doesn't glorify his presidency. If you can refer to a post you've made doing so, I will gladly apologize. Take a sniff of what you're shoveling. The majority of Americans? 8 million fewer voters showed up at the polls. That tells me that people want something different than whats being offered. The majority that voted Obama back into office sticks out like a turd in a punchbowl. Look at the demographics and come to your own conclusion.
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-CHIP
I have said over and over there are enough ,Democrat Basher's ,here some one has to point out a difference of opinion.and I have learned a lot in doing that.The anti-america ,tea party or what used to be the Republican Party is over unless they adapt ,and get out of there 18 th century.mind set.personally I don't think they can.

But,,,In doing so over he past -4-year's I have learned ,,I was Registered Independent the last few year's ,before that i was a Republican ,Now I am a Registered Democrat,The President got the Majority vote -More Catholic's,more White evangelical's than the last election.I will keep my spot in the Majority of People Supporting America Not China,The Republican Party has abandoned American's who voted for them ,They are a disgrace to America ,period ,You guy's who voted repugnant,voted for a Non American -a Non Patriot and a Non Christian,who ran on lie after Lie,,,had no policy ,no idea's to run on except take from you and give to him and his elite friend's .In the Mormon cult.

And you guy's voted to support him ,A direct insult to American's ,and what America stand's for.

[Pine Lakes]

by Pine Lakes » Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:40 pm

Pine Mt Beagles wrote:
I have heard no one say this President is perfect ,,every one know's that .

Just like ,I don't expect Republican's, to believe anything he has done for you.

But,The Majority of American's disagree with most of you ,and that is a good thing ,I believe in disagreement ,no one would ever learn anything if every one agreed on every thing.I learn something from you guy's every day.


He's perfect in your eyes. You have never made one post about Obama that doesn't glorify his presidency. If you can refer to a post you've made doing so, I will gladly apologize. Take a sniff of what you're shoveling. The majority of Americans? 8 million fewer voters showed up at the polls. That tells me that people want something different than whats being offered. The majority that voted Obama back into office sticks out like a turd in a punchbowl. Look at the demographics and come to your own conclusion.
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-CHIP
I have said over and over there are enough ,Democrat Basher's ,here some one has to point out a difference of opinion.and I have learned a lot in doing that.The anti-america ,tea party or what used to be the Republican Party is over unless they adapt ,and get out of there 18 th century.mind set.personally I don't think they can.

But,,,In doing so over he past -4-year's I have learned ,,I was Registered Independent the last few year's ,before that i was a Republican ,Now I am a Registered Democrat,The President got the Majority vote -More Catholic's,more White evangelical's than the last election.I will keep my spot in the Majority of People Supporting America Not China,The Republican Party has abandoned American's who voted for them ,They are a disgrace to America ,period ,You guy's who voted repugnant,voted for a Non American -a Non Patriot and a Non Christian,who ran on lie after Lie,,,had no policy ,no idea's to run on except take from you and give to him and his elite friend's .In the Mormon cult.

And you guy's voted to support him ,A direct insult to American's ,and what America stand's for.

This board is a microcosm, if you will, of a larger problem. You don't type your posts on this board to keep some kind of balance in the universe. You post and respond how you feel and believe, and evidentally that has changed more than Mitt Romney. What's next, Rufus Stewart's National Socialists Movement? Nothing you accuse Romney of in the above post is true. It is simply slander, made up in the mind of Rufus Stewart posted on a beagle board to be roasted by every thinking individual that happens to read it. The Republican Party has abandonded the thought of government dependency and fiscal irresponsibility. The only non-american, non-patriot, and non-christian is the man you, and all the other liberals, voted back into office. Congratulations! You are part of a group that hates the free market, will only participate in voting if the candidate is a minority, believes tax payers should be responsible for birth control, family planning, abortions, free cell phones, and a host of other non-neccessities. We are truly at a crossroads in our country's history.

Allow me to ask a question. What do you think would happen if the half(close enough) of America that voted for Obama was given the western part of the United States and the eastern part given to the half that voted for Romney? I gave you the western part so all the mexican immigrants would only have to cross 1 border since they evidentally prefer Obama. I'm not suggesting we do that necessarily and this is just for conversation. What would it be like in 10 years? How would the Constitution be sustained by each group? Which government would more likely trend toward finiancial ruin? Which part would be more inclined to have a big invasive and expensive government? Which half would likely have a better education system? Which one would be more likely to have a self sustaining economy with less unemployment? Which one would likely be better able to produce the equipment and manpower needed to protect itself. Which part would be more likely to protect the sanctity of the Church? It's a simple question really. If you want to live in a socialist state where a few marxist officials try to disperse the wealth evenly to every citizen regardless of work habits, contribution, or qualifications, then go west. Or if you want to live in a capitalist state where freedom, hard work, and innovation lead to prosperity for all, then go east. I think the western part would be like a 3rd world country in a brief period, but not to worry, greed and envy will decay freedom eventually in the eastern part, but it would be a great country for long period. Sound familiar?

Ol' Ben knew it could and had happened.

History affords us many instances of the ruin of states, by the prosecution of measures ill suited to the temper and genius of their people. The ordaining of laws in favor of one part of the nation, to the prejudice and oppression of another, is certainly the most erroneous and mistaken policy. An equal dispensation of protection, rights, privileges, and advantages, is what every part is entitled to, and ought to enjoy... These measures never fail to create great and violent jealousies and animosities between the people favored and the people oppressed; whence a total separation of affections, interests, political obligations, and all manner of connections, by which the whole state is weakened.

Benjamin Franklin, Emblematical Representations, Circa 1774

I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.

Benjamin Franklin, On the Price of Corn and Management of the Poor, November 17

[woods]

1. Exxon mobile: Pre-tax earnings: $73.3 billion
U.S. taxes paid: $1.5 billion (2 percent)
Foreign taxes paid: $28.8 billion (39 percent)
2. Chevron
Pre-tax earnings: $47.6 billion
U.S. taxes paid: $1.9 billion (4 percent)
Foreign taxes paid: $16.5 billion (34 percent)
3. Apple
Pre-tax earnings: $34.2 billion
U.S. taxes paid: $3.9 billion (11 percent)
Foreign taxes paid: $769 million (2 percent)
4. Microsoft
Pre-tax earnings: $28.1 billion
U.S. taxes paid: $3.1 billion (11 percent)
Foreign taxes paid: $1.6 billion (5 percent)
5. JPMorgan Chase & Co.
Pre-tax earnings: $26.7 billion
U.S. taxes paid: $3.7 billion (14 percent)
Foreign taxes paid: $1.2 billion (4 percent)
6. Walmart
Pre-tax earnings: $24.4 billion
U.S. taxes paid: $4.6 billion (19 percent)
Foreign taxes paid: $1.4 billion (6 percent).

[woods]

Pine Lakes I agree with you in theory. But I won't be the one to tell hungry children we are going to drive your parents out of poverty by not giving you food. Before you get upset I am not saying you said that either. My point is we should not just be handing out welfare. We should have programs in place that help people by teaching them job skills and educating them to become productive members of society. I believe that most Americans would rather work for Thier assistance. Not all but most in my opinion. But I do know this I will do whatever I have to do to feed my family. I work 12 hour shifts sometimes 6 or 7 days a week. I plant a garden , raise chickens, pigs and quail. But if I had none of these means I would scratch fight steal and eventually kill to keep my babies from going hungry. So that tells me when faced with poverty people will do what they have to. We can give them a chance or be faced with someone who will do what they have to do to survive. We don't need to stop helping people we need to be smarter about how we do it. Just my opinion.

[Newt]

Mr Woods do you know anyone living in the projects? A few years back, before I retired I worked with folks who have a first hand knowledge of the situation. She told me the day the checks arrived was the day the moms went partying. The kids were left at home hungry.
Nobody has the answer for people who will not take responsibility for their actions.

People of weird creatures. Personal story. My wife's brother lost his job several years back, IMO, it was because he refused to work for a female supervisor, but that is another story. My wife bought the kids clothes and their Church helped feed them. When the kids graduated HS, they both had excellent grades, work ethic, and character. Their deceased grandmother had left them enough money to attend college. One selected a private school out of state. The out of state tuition was much higher so she ran out of money after two years and was forced to borrow several thousand dollars to finish. She was in a curriculum in which there was little demand for her services. She is in a a low paying job with a debt of her student loan.
The second one is a Jr in another out of state university. Same situation as the elder. When she graduates there will be no job in her chosen field.
There was a university within ten miles of home where they were reared. The cost of attending would have been less that half.
When you have freedom, you have choices.
The national debt is quickly removing those choices.

I've seen TV ads ever since we bought our first one in the 50's, begging for money for the "Care" Program and "Help the Children". After trillions of dollars spent, folks living in poverty has only increased.
Lyndon Johnson's "Great Society" program was to end poverty. It has only bankrupted the greatest nation known to man.

I talked to a guy the other day whose friend hitch hiked from out West. A bus filled with "hippies" stopped and picked him up. They had little money so when they ran low on fuel, they would stop at a Truck Stop, and each member would get a gallon jug and go tho each trucker and ask if he would fill up their jug. I suppose many truckers didn't think the company would notice the difference in a extra gallon, so they usually obliged.

[woods]

Yes Newt I know people who live in the projects. I also know people who have worked and moved out the projects. For years I worked in the projects building playgrounds for the kids. There are people there that are horrible and good people too. Like I said take my means and see what happen

[Rabbithoundjb]

Woods says, take my means and see what happens. So what do you think the government is doing to hard working, middle class people who have done the right things, made the right discisions, finished grade school, finished high school, vocational school, 4 years or more college to better themselves, worked hard gowing their skills to provide for their families and the government takes more and more of their means to provide for people who have done nothing to make themselves marketable and so on. I have to manage more closely my life style so that my tax money can pay for others bad discisions, so whos earned means is being taken.

[woods]

Ok Rabbit let the poor starve!!!!!

[BullRooster]

I for one get sick of paying other people to do as they please. I am not saying let the children starve but something has to be done about all this Gheto trash breeding. They get government assistance and still they are allowed to have as many kids as they want. What else do they have to do then sit around and get a check. I guess you have to do something with all that extra time.

[Rabbithoundjb]

Let me tell you a little story woods, I grew up very, very poor, see the chickens through the floor of the house poor. I busted my azz working a full time second shift job to pay my own way through college the first time. Went back to school at night while I worked a full day job, supported a wife and 2 kids to get my associates degree. Why should I who busted my azz, sacrificed, went without be forced to render my earnings to poeple who are slack azzes. I don't mind helping people that realy need help but I think that should be my choice and I damm sure don't think there should be unending support of tax payer funds to anyone for anything that they did not pay funds into.

[likeemfast]

Ok Rabbit let the poor starve!!!!!

It dont take much to put 2 all beef patties on a bun with some special sauce except to get your off your front porch and stop smoking cigs for a couple hours. Trash is all they are, i agree with Woods, let them starve. Get them off the payroll, im tired of paying for their free ride. I certainly wouldnt miss them.

[likeemfast]

And I am not a Rep or Dem and feel that anyone who sits and debates this mess is in need of medical help. Have them look at your head. Anyone who thinks either party is looking out for their well being is crazy as they come. Once elected to whatever party they become pawns of special interest and big money and nothing else. I will say this about the current situation. Obama was left with a mess and that came from a party who cared nothing about what was good for the working class of people. Please don't forget that Bush started a war with a country that did nothing to us, he hired a company (Halaburton) to provide support for the troops who decided to move their headquarters to another country and quit paying US taxes. He deregulated alot within the financial world which lead to the banking crisis and greed among the top brass. Alot of the current debt is a result of Bush policies or lack of. Do I vote ? Yes I do. Do I vote for president ? Haven't for quite awhile since felt no one worth the job was running. Then John McCain comes along who would have made a great president and who does he take on the ticket with him ? A idiot. You want to send a message to the world ? Buy American. That is cars, trucks, and goods. Put Walmart into a hurt and watch China take notice. Take the time to read labels and if doesn't say made in America don't buy it. It seems to me that more people want to sit and bitc_ but few want to act. Voting is not acting by the way. Your vote sends one persons into the pockets of special interest and big money. Act on your own.

Finally someone sees the light, i will pay $50.00 more for one item or a couple items rather than set foot into a Walmart. Basically most goods made in China. 4 of the top 20 richest, The Waltons, and they pay their people squat, give them squat for medical benefits. I would do without before i purchased anything from a Walmart. On the other hand i would walk everywhere before i supported the UAW and their bailout money. Lost a lot in this Obama recession, including my pension and nobody bailed me out, should of left UAW go bankrupt too. I Just have to work harder for me and my family and put that all away for a rainy day. Already know i will die at work some day. No retirement here, no big deal. Love my Nissan made in Tenessee too, and i didnt have to bail them out to get it. Let the strong survive and the weak fold, this isnt kids soccer where everyone gets a trophy just because they showed up, its the real world boys.

[Pine Lakes]

Likemfast, I don't think that's what Woods was implieing. I believe it was a sarcastic answer. Woods I think you missed the point of Mr. Franklin. His main point was by taking from those that have to give, and giving to those that don't not only creates animosity, but it actually compounds the problem. The proof is in the genarational bridge to poverty and the enlargement of said group of people. Nobody on here wants to see another human being starve, and to suggest so is nothing short of being outrageously stupid. Not only is action in teaching those who do not possess the skills needed, but more importantly the desire to learn. I personally think the desire not learn and work is the problem. There are unlimited resources and means to obtain work and/or the skill to aquire it. At some point in time we must take responsibility for our actions as well as our inactions. I would have loved to start my family earlier than I did, but the cold hard facts are I wasn't ready finiancially or mentally. These are considerations some of us make because we care about others. Had I started my family before I was prepared the responsibility of such would have encouraged me to work harder and sacrifice my personal desires to provide not only the material things to survive, but a life lesson to pass on to my offspring. Choosing to continue to reproduce without the means to provide food, shelter, and love is a problem within ones own heart and mind. They are only victims to their own descisions. Obviously this doesn't pertain to those that are victims of crimes, handicapped, or injured. If it were only those unfortunate folks, we could take care of them in a way that they deserve as they are falling victim to the majority abusing the system. Noone, in their right mind, should feel it is the public's responsibility to pay for contraception or abortion, along with a host of other non-nesessaties. Unfortunately, there is no utopian society on this earth, and sometimes descisions for the greater good of the people may harm a few, but to suggest "let the children starve" is silly. I've been in a few projects, and obesity is a larger problem than starvation.

[Newt]

Ok Rabbit let the poor starve!!!!!

Do you think Obama or any politician is serious about helping the poor? He is worth millions, why isn't he helping. Why doesn't Michelle stay at home and use the money save on fuel to help the poor. Think of the carbon footprint as the result of all that burning jet fuel.

I grew up poorer than 90% of the folks in the projects when I was a child. I didn't starve. My parents didn't separate because it was necessary to stay together to survive. Since the Great Society, it has been more profitable to separate and keep having kids.
A lady stood up in church an requested prayer that she would get pregnant, she said she needed the extra income. She was single.
How are you going to help people he have that idea.

If you believe Michelle, a majority of the young folks are starving for correct nutrition even though the are over weight. Apparently the government programs are not providing the correct food for the needy.
I probably wasn't malnourished when I was a child but I certainly wasn't fat. In fact there was very little obesity in those days.