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[golden acres]

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[Robbie F.]

Very good post goldenacres. Most on here do not understand how important the health care issue is. I hate to say it but most of these guys couldn't care less as long as these things do not affect them personally. I too know what it is like to de denied coverage because something is pre-existing and it is financially devastating and in some cases has cost people their lives. I am glad your son is getting the treatment he deserves. Fortunately for America we still had enough logical thinkers out there to make the best choice for president this time.

[Rabbithoundjb]

So what you are saying is you worked for the same company out of school, was he not on your insurance before he got sick. The government doesn't pay for public school or unemployment insurance, tax payers and employers do. I am glad you got help for your son but pre existing condition means there before insured if I'm wrong correct me, and Robbie you are an azzwipe if you really believe these people posting on here don't care about other people and the welfare of the country too.

The pre existing clause in insurance was there to intice healthy people to purchase insurance and if you didn't and got sick it was your choice. I think the ACA actually hurts that because now you can pay a failure to enrool tax which is much cheaper not to have insurance and then when you get sick who picks up the tab, the middle class working people who are already being reamed.

Like I said I am glad you got help for your boy but the ACA is not affordable just watch the damage it does to the economy once it goes into full effect. Heres a window into the future of your healthcare you see what happened with Katrina, you see what is happening with sandy thats the same government that will be handling your healthcare and these storms are temporary this healthcare will be 24/7 365 days a year. How ya think that huge government clusterf--- is going to work out.

[golden acres]

no he has been on my insurance but my insurance denied his treatment even after a major childerns hospital said this was a must, so I misspoke, he was denied coverage because my insurance company thinks they know more than my son doctors. You are right we pay taxes to the federal government and they supply us with schools and other benefits that we all share.

[Rabbithoundjb]

So it wasn't about a pre- existing condition. So now what happens when the government denies you or family treatment. No need to consult a lawyer thats all the goverment is made up of. Again I'm glad you got a resolution but the ACA won't keep people from being denied coverage. The reason is there won't be the funding to cover the costs. I hope I am wrong but the governments record against the private sector and hard working family households across this country when it comes to finances aren't so good.

Yes there is and always will be sorry, lazy people but thats no excuse to enable them to continue to grow at the expense of hard working tax payers. As you said I am making it OK but its not me I'm concerned about, it the next generation and the next, my kids my grand kids.in the direction the country is headed what kind of oppertunity are they going have.

By the way I am not defending Bluegrass, I don't like the term libtard either if you review my posts you will find I have not called anyone that.

[Newt]

I suspect folks are about to see the biggest change in medical care that they can imagine. Look at the results of "Sandy" to understand government care. The President, Governor, and Mayor are all in public touting their success in handling the problem. Meanwhile,the city looks like a war zone and folks are still without power.
Once Affordable Care is fully enacted, where are the Doctors to care for thirty million more patients. When something is free the usage goes up. Notice the number of folks in poverty that have multiple cell phones.

[woods]

I lived thru Katrina and I know sandy has not been handled like Katrina. I have seen quite a few storms. Katrina, Ike , Gustav , Andrew. I know lights don't just come back on. It takes a while. I also know it was a week before any government assistance was received after Katrina. Sandy there was meals and water and gas brought the next day. There wasn't even water brought to New Orleans for days and days people were stranded in Thier houses for days and days. Blanco/Bush /Brown drug Thier feet until crazy Ray started cussing them out bringing national media attention. Storms create a lot of damage that cannot be fixed in days or weeks it takes years. But the response to sandy was 100 times better than Katrina. It should not be political. People are suffering.

[Rabbithoundjb]

That post is BS its 11 days and some people still don't have power, shortage of gas and so on. You see what you want to see. If it was Bush you liberals would be raising he!!.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

Rabbit
You are a nut,,If you cannot see the difference in how this storm was handled,,,There is no Comparison ,Bush left people stranded on top's of houses until they starved to death.

And The Pre-existing thing also saved My cousin's life,he was diagnosed with bone cancer,The pre-existing thing is big to many people.

But heck Republican's,, don't care about all that ,,they wanted a President,,From the Planet Kolob,who believes that Mormon's were around before God.--They are nut's ...Democrat's are not Perfect -BUT-The other side is nut's.

[woods]

Have you ever been in a storm Rabbit? It was 4 weeks before we got power after Gustav. It was a week after Issac which was a small storm. Now I begin to wonder about you.

[Rabbithoundjb]

Yes woods I have been in a storm, Fran in 1999 I believe. That was my point doesn't matter who the president is, I don't blame Obama anymore than I did Bush. The government does all it can but it is the government after all, inefficient and its the state and local leaders that have to lead and get as much assistance as they can from the government. I have a friend that just come back from Jersey after 6 days helping some of his family members so I have an idea whats going on there. A terrible mess.

[Bunnyblaster]

I'll add something to the mix. Insurance company's always either denied coverage or raised premiums for preexisting conditions because they could not afford to pay out the amounts that they'd be hit with. That being said if they are forced to provide coverage for all preexisting conditions then isn't that going to equate to either higher premiums or bankrupt insurance companies??

In addition to that I would also like to say that nothing ticks me off more than seeing a person who payed insurance premiums for years and years and then being dropped when they end up paying out money. But at the same time if they can't afford to stay in business then what is the answer? I look at insurance companies about the same as government in regards to how they operate financially speaking. They take in money from the masses and then pay out to those in need. I don't think there is an easy answer to the question no matter how you look at it.

This past summer my 33 year old wife had a heart attack & I was very glad that we have insurance to cover the majority of the bills minus deductibles and what not so I can understand what some people go through that either do not have insurance or very bad coverage. I have had everything from great coverage to so-so coverage........paid for my own premiums and had them covered by my employer. All I know is health care and health insurance continues to skyrocket and I only hope there is some kind of an end in sight.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

Just a little to add.

I have Medicare Insurance and I pay for it monthly .

I also have a private insurance that I pay for Monthly it cost me -856.43 -A month ,But ,when I go to a doctor the private insurance alway's insist's on Medicare being the primary and when a bill come's the private insurance I pay so much for pay's only a few pennies,,and Medicare foot's the bill,and then People talk about Medicare is going broke.wonder why.!!

[Pine Lakes]

Rabbit
You are a nut,,If you cannot see the difference in how this storm was handled,,,There is no Comparison ,Bush left people stranded on top's of houses until they starved to death.

And The Pre-existing thing also saved My cousin's life,he was diagnosed with bone cancer,The pre-existing thing is big to many people.

But heck Republican's,, don't care about all that ,,they wanted a President,,From the Planet Kolob,who believes that Mormon's were around before God.--They are nut's ...Democrat's are not Perfect -BUT-The other side is nut's.

You truly are stupid. People were on rooftops because their houses were built well below sea level. They were told well in advance to evacuate. If NY and NJ were in the same situation there would still be people on rooftops staying in igloos made with the snow that fell from the noreaster freezing and starving to death. They still don't have power, but they have shelter and the ability to commute themselves as the water receeded. Did I dumb it down enough for you? Totally different circumstances that are not similar except they were both natural disasters. You must have a mancrush on Bush. Bush did this, Bush did that. All while Obama left 4 americans to die in Benghazi, but you make no mention of that. You never mention Fast and Furious.

Show us all proof of this planet Kolob accusation. I know you can't because I've already done the research, but enlighten us anyway genius. That fake video isn't proof either dipshit. Vote how ever you see fit. That is a freedom every American citizen should exercise. It isn't about being democrat or republican. It's about being liberal and voting in a manner that leads us to socialism(or worse), federal government dependency, and finicial ruin. Politics have shifted so far left over the last 20 years, but people still vote based on party, without question. The republican party isn't without blame. Romney certainly wasn't a good enough candidate to lure enough voters to the polls as 3 million fewer people voted for him than McCain. McCain even got more votes in 08 than Obama did this election. That's sad.

As for healthcare. If you think it's going to be better in 2 years there is no help for you. Refer to any government ran healthcare system in the world, don't take my word for it. The federal government will do with it as it has done with everything else, screw it up beyond repair.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

Medicare --->Social Security--->The two best Program's -->