out of state deer hunters

[Robbie F.]

After reading through this thread I am wondering how can you know if a dog is turned loose for the sole purpose of running a deer as opposed to a rabbit hunter on neighboring property that may have a young hound that decides to try a deer. I would understand the frustration if you know that someone has turned out on top of you for the purpose of disrupting your hunt but really how can you know before making that decision to shoot someones dog. I for one take my children hunting and they have some young dogs that they consider to be theirs and if one was to run a deer and get shot I would have to think the one that did it is a dirtbag. With that being said I do believe the out of state hunters have the right to do what they want with the land that they have legally leased. It may be unfortunate when we lose access to property but one of the reasons it may be hard to find trusting landowners could be because of many of the guys posting on this thread who are talking of purposely messing up ones hunt or shooting dogs to get even. If I lived near any of you and you asked me to hunt on my property and I knew some of the things you have posted on this thread i would refuse you access. Why don't we all just settle down and take it easy, not shoot anyones dog today, understand that we may not like our circumstances but getting mad and getting even are rarely if ever the right way to go, and let's just run some dogs.

[dog]

again , nobody reads , or they see what they want , I believe the guy said coon /deer dog , that is not a rabbitdog , everybody else added the rabbitdogs. if i rtalk to the guy and he is told to stay out , and he repeatedly returns and the same thing happens then to me he is doing it on purpose . if i have a rabbitdog that likes to take a deer once in awhile i wouldnt continue to hunt there if i knew the neighbor didnt want me or my dogs on his property

[littlewoody]

I know guy that shoot people cats because he doesn't like them walking on his car. If your dog gets loose in deer season 90% it's going to get shot. Guys will shoot your dog just to see if they can hit it.

[chapkosbeagles]

I dont run the next month or so unless it is dark

Hard to hit what u cant see

[littlewoody]

I won't run until jan 1

[warddog]

I dont run the next month or so unless it is dark

Hard to hit what u cant see

LOL, I've hit alot of coon and coyotes at night and seen alot of dogs and even very small cats!

[bucks better beagles]

What is amazing Augerhead? You have access to a lot of property for your deer hunting (which you do more than anyone I know). Do you ever shoot dogs for coming on it during one of your hunts?

[Robbie F.]

Dog-I am just wondering how you might handle this situation. A few years ago I was hunting a tract of land I had permission to hunt. Another group of hunters wanted to hunt there but two packs of dogs were too many so they went somewhere else since we were there long before they showed up. Very sportsman like I thought. However I soon realized that was not the case. They went about half a mile down the road, hurried across a bean field and got in front of us and began running and shooting over their dogs. Later that day we were able to try and talk to the guys and they were very rude and obnoxious. To me it was obvious they were going to do their best to ruin our hunt no matter what. So using your logic I suppose I should have shot their dogs or perhaps even them. After all they were mean to me!

[warddog]

Dog-I am just wondering how you might handle this situation. A few years ago I was hunting a tract of land I had permission to hunt. Another group of hunters wanted to hunt there but two packs of dogs were too many so they went somewhere else since we were there long before they showed up. Very sportsman like I thought. However I soon realized that was not the case. They went about half a mile down the road, hurried across a bean field and got in front of us and began running and shooting over their dogs. Later that day we were able to try and talk to the guys and they were very rude and obnoxious. To me it was obvious they were going to do their best to ruin our hunt no matter what. So using your logic I suppose I should have shot their dogs or perhaps even them. After all they were mean to me!

If neither one of you owned or leased the land then there's NOT a thing you can do, period. These types of things that get out of hand are exactly why land owners STOP allowing hunting for everyone. Best thing to do is move on to hunt it another day. NOW, if one party or the other owned or leased the property that's an entirely different scenerio.

[augerhead]

What is amazing Augerhead? You have access to a lot of property for your deer hunting (which you do more than anyone I know). Do you ever shoot dogs for coming on it during one of your hunts?

Nope, never have and wouldn't consider it. I was running on state land not too long ago when my dogs I guess got close or on private property. The landowner came out screaming how his was going to shoot my dogs, his excuse was he had chickens. I told him that he had no right to shoot or threaten to shoot my dogs, I caught them and relocated to avoid a mess. I thought he was just an a** probably from the city and didn't understand his rights or mine. Getting bothered while you deer hunt is aggravating but shooting some ones dog to me is a no no unless in self defense. JMO

[Rich Brien]

Had a sherriffs son shoot one of my coyote hounds one day when the coyote ran through his back lawn.The guy used a 22,shot my dog in the hind end. the dog came running back to me on the road where i had wittnessed and heard the shot,not only did i but about ten of my hunting buddies were standing there also.We all kept our cool and i told them i was taking him right to my vet and the guy who just pulled the trigger was gonna pay.My vet was furiuos,not only did he jack up the vet bill but he even called the statetroopers in to take care of the situation. Later that night i got an apology call from the man who pulled the trigger,He will think twice before he does that again.

[dog]

Dog-I am just wondering how you might handle this situation. A few years ago I was hunting a tract of land I had permission to hunt. Another group of hunters wanted to hunt there but two packs of dogs were too many so they went somewhere else since we were there long before they showed up. Very sportsman like I thought. However I soon realized that was not the case. They went about half a mile down the road, hurried across a bean field and got in front of us and began running and shooting over their dogs. Later that day we were able to try and talk to the guys and they were very rude and obnoxious. To me it was obvious they were going to do their best to ruin our hunt no matter what. So using your logic I suppose I should have shot their dogs or perhaps even them. After all they were mean to me!

Again we read but we only see what we want to see . there is a huge difference in having permision to hunt someone elses property along with others or even having sole permision and owning or leasing that property. If you only have permision to hunt someone elses property then you have no say so on who hunts it or how they hunt it . If you dont like it dont hunt it. when you buy or lease the hunting rights then you have the say so on who hunts and how they hunt. To me it is no different than someone using your backyard when ever they want for whatever they want. Like i said I have been on these boards for a long time and I have heard every possible way for someone to cull dogs that wasnt what they liked. from small pups to grown dogs . nothing wrong with them , they just wasnt what they liked and that is ok but when someone says they would shoot nuisance dogs then they all have a problem. people just bitch to hear themselves bitch

[augerhead]

Big difference to me, culling your own dog and shooting someone elses. I won't do either just not my style.

[chapkosbeagles]

I think if u can follow the
Akc breeding code of ethics than u should not breed dogs
Akc states what they breed for and what they cull

Culling is very importain to the breed at which we all hunt

[smokedawg]

Down here in Louisiana, we dont shoot a man's hunting dog, period. No exceptions. I stay with the hounds while hunting, run e-collars on everyone of them and hunt on private land that I either own, lease, or have written permission to hunt on. In over 30 years I have never had one shot that I know of. If I knew someone shot one of mine intentionally, I dont need to find the dog or have permission to come on someones property to look for the animal because it's fixing to get a whole lot worse than trespassing anyway. You only need proof if you plan on taking someone to court over it. If some ole boy shoots my hound on purpose, court aint fixing to give me no satisfaction, I will personally take it out of their azz. The majority of houndsman around here feel the same way, that is why we understand one another and dont cross that line. I respect the deer hunter's right's and I expect them to show me the same. Word spreads fast around here. Most folks that would shoot a man's hound would also probably like to run their mouth about it to their buddies at the local watering hole. Sooner or later, the hound's owner will find out and then we got ourselves a bad situation. However, I would never turn my hounds loose and run somewhere just to aggravate somebody. I treat the deer hunters right and in return, after deer season I can usually count on getting to run rabbits on their leases. All hunter's need to stick together no matter what kind of hunting we do or else the anti hunting group is gonna make outlaws out of all of us. I am thankful that I live where I do. Most folks understand common courtesy around here and will also handle their own problems if the need arises. Lastly, if a man dont understand the difference between culling you own worthless hound and shooting a man's hunting dog, I doubt if I could explain it to him anyway.