What's more difficult???

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Kinda curious of this answer: How does a man get the most out of a hound ? Maybe I ain't as smart as I thought. In my puny brain in thought if I run em every chance I get as long as time allowed, solo and pack run fed em right and kept them healthy, I thought I was doing good. What did I forget.?

[johns03272008]

The way I see BAOTB is this. A pup being able to start in one day, a hound not having to be soloed on hours at a time just to get his head on straight. A true rabbit dog is the same dog day in and day out. Harry Snow Jr said in a earlier post that he runs a hound a lot longer than two weeks before a field trial. My honest opinion is that if it takes your hound a month or two to get his head on straight then I guess you got more time on your hands than I do. BAOTB DOGS, don't need that much time. Its in their blood. IfI had a hound that took that long to get ready for a trial he would end up shot or sold. I'd move him down the road to someone who had that much time and patience. That is what I call a cull in my neck of the woods.


I have a young hound right now that is gonna be on my varsity squad. I am the coach and when hunting season is here I call that game time. I am not about to jump in the briars and jump a rabbit for my "team". You don't see coaches getting out on the court during game play and show his team how its done do you?? Heavens sake no!! So if your not a coach then I take it your a cheerleader instead.. right John??

I said i wasnt gonna post any more but this is crazy you call them a cull huh casey??? What about that POS POTLICKER MOE "big white truck" did you ever shoot him or send him down the road? He wasnt worth the gun powder to shoot!!! I guess now that your young dog made winners pack at the coal mines now you a expert huh??? I would rather be a cheerleader than someone like you always holding a jock strap!!! Im sure i will get banned for speaking my mind but its what ever!! Probably for the better for me as i need to follow my own saying i use and LET THE DOGS DO THE TALKING!!!

[chapkosbeagles]

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[DaManBeagles]

Put down the Crack Pipe and step back!!! Kane is the real deal!!!

Hey Neil you have seen my judgment of a hound!!! Ya i gave your mouthy Kane dog a 4th cause he couldnt shut his lips with all the scent around him then took a back seat when he got pressured!!! Ya he finished congrats to that!! I run my hound 2-3 hrs 5-6 days a week and she is just a young derby dog!!! I do have a male that i will drop down with your male and he aint gonna look like no fool next to a mouthy dog!!! Any dog can look good in areas with lots of rabbits!! Funny thing is i have judged 2 license trials and 1st trial i put a win on a female that is already a FC so my look must not be to bad and 2 trial i judged i put a win on a dog that denny dugan and branko own and i believe she is finished also but not for sure so i guess i dont have a clue do i!! I dont like a mouthy dog nor will i promote one!! Maybe if Kane would have come back into the field instead of trying to run that 3 day old track in the corn that no other dog would honor and he couldnt do anything with we could have had more running!! Anyways congrats on your FC more than i got but he aint for me!!! Apparently you didnt like what i saw and maybe Kane has changed but that day he wasnt the top dog!! I dont go around telling judges they dont what they looking at just cause they didnt place my hound, i simply shake their hands and try again later!!! Also i may not know everything but i try to learn everyday!!! Since you wanted to start pulling cards figured i would join in!! Im done posting on this subject as its just beating a dead horse! For what its worth congrats to you and your FC

[johns03272008]

Im not backing out of what i said and saw ghe day i judged him but like i states in my post MAYBE HE CHANGED, just telling what i saw and what happened that day!! Sad thing is i dont judge the lead strap i judge dogs and i give it my all every time even if it is a derby dog!! Another derby i judged the top dog of the day didnt win cause it layed down but the owner got the dog right and now has 2 wins but your right i dont know what im looking for must be all the crack i have been smoking while out running hounds!!

[Matt Glomski]

Get on here and talk smack about my buddies, argue with them, diagree with them, make them mad or whatever...thats one thing.

But get on here and talk smack about one of the most COMPLETE males out there right now (IMO)....well that pisses me off. I will always have a GREAT dogs back. I have seen Kane to many times and he is one of the best. Kane opens his mouth you can take it to the bank!!!! Kane did not change before during or after you judged him at that derby trial...Kane is BAOTB!!!!! With alot of trips to the wood from Neil....

Mouthy...NO WAY!!!!!!

[johns03272008]

Get on here and talk smack about my buddies, argue with them, diagree with them, make them mad or whatever...thats one thing.

But get on here and talk smack about one of the most COMPLETE males out there right now (IMO)....well that pisses me off. I will always have a GREAT dogs back. I have seen Kane to many times and he is one of the best. Kane opens his mouth you can take it to the bank!!!! Kane did not change before during or after you judged him at that derby trial...Kane is BAOTB!!!!! With alot of trips to the wood from Neil....

Mouthy...NO WAY!!!!!!

Matt you cant for 1 minute say the day i judged him he wasnt mouthy!!! We even moved spots if you remember!!! Im over this thread and talking about kane but when someone trys to call me out on my JUDGING im gonna speak the truth and not gonna keep it in the dark!!! I dont tend to throw the first punch but when its started i will join in and throw with the big dogs!!!

[dog]

[quote

Hey John, bring me one of those FC's you've made.

How much do you train a dog? Do you run out there and jump a rabbit and follow it around by scent and then tell your dogs its their turn? All you have to do with beagles is give them the opportunity. They either have it or they don't. I've seen your judgement of a hound and don't believe you'd recognize one if you saw it. Don't get me wrong I run the guts out of my hounds, but I promise you this the cream will always rise to the top. Nothing I can do can force the cream to rise, it either does or it doesn't. Even if I have some influence by the way I run my hounds, its nothing that can't be duplicated by someone else.

I also believe a born bad ass could be raised on a farm and let loose to run at will. Once it was mature, it could be taken to a trial and win....thus born, not made. It could be self made. John since you like throwing scenarios out there so much how bout this. The next time I get a cull I'll send it to you and if you can make it into a FC I'll give you 5 grand. Your so good at making things this should be no problem for you.[/quote]


This has to be one of the most intelligent and honest comments I have read on here in a loooong time

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Just for the sake of a argument, how many trials have you judged John? I just don't remember ever running under you. Something else I want to start a petition that makes Bush judge all the big bitches the rest of the year. I think enteries would skyrocket.

[johns03272008]

I have judged nothing but littles and only like 2 or 3 license trials and probably 6 or so derbys and one of the license trials i judged with bush and our score cards where very similar but im not bringing him into this, this is my fight not his!!

[NeilKimbrel7]

Na, hes the same dog. No need to change. Let me break it down for ya, because this is what happened. You wanted to hunt that grown up grass and he went in the corn and jumped a rabbit. You told me to go get him because you couldn't judge in the corn so I did. I tried to get him to hunt where you wanted him to, but he went back to the corn and re-jumped the rabbit. The other hounds followed. Now I can understand where you thought he was mouthy because he was the only one barking. Except for one bitch and shed chime in occasionally. Now standing in the corn I can understand that you couldn't fathom that a dog had that much of a better nose than the other competing hounds. However, the rabbit circled in front of the gallery multiple times. Ask Hoog, ask Glomski. We all saw it. Then we moved locations so you could judge easier. As we arrived Glomski saw a big rabbit and we led the hounds to the line and put them on it. All the dogs harked in and the race was on except for the big male that won the hunt. He was the last one to get to the others and on his way there he hit a side rabbit. I know this because it was much smaller than the first. He ran that rabbit very well and the other hounds pulled to him, including Kane which was the last to pull. Now this race lasted five minutes or so and the male did look the best, running was not fast so how you can talk about foot is beyond me. We ended up handling the dogs and you said the scores were close so we needed one more rabbit. We jumped a rabbit and the race was on. I remember that one handler was talking to you about the check his dog just scored. I noticed you weren't very interested in following the hounds so i put myself in position to see what was going on. It ended up being a 2 dog race between kane and Hoogs bitch. Did I feel my dog was the best hound there THAT day...of course I did. Did I think I won, no I was not certain. I thought he could've won, but I tried to considered what you saw. I know that you didn't get much on the first race we ran because it was in the corn. You stayed pretty close on the second rabbit so I figured the male had a good score in your book. I also knew the bitch looked pretty good on the last rabbit so I felt I was at least top 3. However, I was way over estimating your intellectual level.

[chapkosbeagles]

Sounds like he hada good nose seen lots of hounds that couldent track in the corn when others could

[johns03272008]

If yoir for 1 minute talking anout me judging a lead strap you are most certainly mistaken!!! I dont judge straps just dogs and never did i say anything about foot i said he took a back seat when pressured!!! He got the rabbit took from him and didnt do much after that!! Also i do remember asking you handle your dog cause no other dog was running with it!! I know dogs can run in corn!!! I judged to the best of my ability and if you dont like it dont run under me end of that!!! Im sorry you thought you had done better but i dont ever remember you running by my side watching the dogs and i certainly have thought my dogs where doing better when i wasnt running beside them but judges see more than gallery!! Im sorry you thought i was a moron or what ever but i judged what i seen and ya the rabbit did come across the gallery after we got one in the weeds to go in there and all the dogs ran it!!! Amazing how they was all barking when it went from the weeds to the corn amd they all still ran it in the corn!!! But when he had his own and couldnt run it at first nothing else barked! !! HMMMMMMMMMM Im done talking about your kane dog!! Congrats on your FC thats all the more im gonna say on him!!!

[Ohiohntr]

I know this is off topic but I always raise an eyebrow when dogs are mentioned that I have judged...good and bad...that way I can decide for myself if an opinion is on point with what I have seen from a hound. Normally I just keep my opinion to myself but this one is pretty far out there.

I put the first win on Kane in AR and had no clue who the dog was nor the owner (pretty sure nobody did until he started bringing Tosha around then he had more friends than sense ). I thought about it the whole way home how this hound came out of nowhere and was (and still is) one of the top 3 most complete dogs I have ever judged, sure makes a person wonder what else is out there. I also believe I placed the dog a few times as well after that trial...lower score than the rest I believe but no real minus points that stick out in my mind.

Just curious though.....If the dog in discussion was "mouthy" enough to bash on an open forum, how did he make it to winners pack and then place 4th? In my limited judging experience a "mouthy" azz dog usually shows his cards pretty quick...other faults can sneak by until the end and then the pressure eventually pulls the fault out (swinging, skirting, over-running)...mouth typically in my experience has not been one of them...1st series pressure normally is enough.

I assume this was contrived somehow in a heated battle....Truth be known, I didn't read all of the posts because 90% was probably nonsense after the dog bashing began and I am guessing Niel wishes right now he had not thrown a rock at the guys licking windows.

And please....no phonecalls, I could care less, just hate to see a good hound that has proved his worth get belittled on his accomplishment.

[Matt Glomski]

Get on here and talk smack about my buddies, argue with them, diagree with them, make them mad or whatever...thats one thing.

But get on here and talk smack about one of the most COMPLETE males out there right now (IMO)....well that pisses me off. I will always have a GREAT dogs back. I have seen Kane to many times and he is one of the best. Kane opens his mouth you can take it to the bank!!!! Kane did not change before during or after you judged him at that derby trial...Kane is BAOTB!!!!! With alot of trips to the wood from Neil....

Mouthy...NO WAY!!!!!!

Matt you cant for 1 minute say the day i judged him he wasnt mouthy!!! We even moved spots if you remember!!! Im over this thread and talking about kane but when someone trys to call me out on my JUDGING im gonna speak the truth and not gonna keep it in the dark!!! I dont tend to throw the first punch but when its started i will join in and throw with the big dogs!!!

IMO he was not mouthy that day....so Kane went deep and jumped a rabbit in the corn two different times while the other dogs were being encouraged by the handlers to get in the weeds and hunt for a rabbit.....you ran in and tried to get the other dogs to him...the other dogs could not get with him.....I saw Kanes rabbits he jumped run out of the corn...I dont care if no other dog got in with him or not. No one was upset with you placeing him 4th...All of us as judges have been in situations like that where we scratch our head...make a call and move on, and you did that. Not quite sure why it was even brought up???? No reason to talk bad about a dog.