What's more difficult???

[Casey Harner]

A good friend once told me, some get it, some will eventually get it but some will never have a clue.

[jumpNrun]

Its a team effort you and the dogs.And pedigrees often help you to find that quality hound your lookin for.ive ran aginst some champion dogs that i would not own for any reason at all how did they make champ? Cheating buddy judge just pure luck i call that man made champs! One day i hope to own a hound that doesnt need ran up to win BIG Trials. (WONT HAPPEN) Do you think any athlete wins without training Fighters, maratons, Motocross any sport where one person gets scored anyone who thinks these dogs without being trained right are going to make champion against the rest of the top of the heap just dont get it. Large pack nationals i think they ran 2 days 8 or so hours each day to pick winners. Someone go put your born champ in the pin for a few months after it starts. Then bRing it to a big trail and see how it stacks up if its a born champ it should just wax em all right? Little letters in front of your hound should just be for pride and your inner comp not bragging rights that you have a champ. i will shut up now. And continue to try to make all the hounds i have champs for personal reasons. Called the love of beagling and dogs! I got 8 puppies 2 diffrent litters i would be a fool to call them FC's when they havent ever ran a rabbit.

[Joseph J Murphy]

You can have the best breeding there is but you have to put the time in to make a hound.I know a guy on here who owned a female.i had ran with her many times before he got her.He was gonna take her to New York and run in an AKC trial.Large pack if I remember correctly.I remember thinking it would be would be a wasted trip.I didn't think he could get her in good enough shape,she had never been ran large pack,I don't think she knew what a hare was.probably 4 or 5 reasons for her not to do well.He took that dog up there and placed well with her.I started paying more attention to him from that point on.I have watched him finish field champions in the tough Midwest division ,all the time doing it without being part of any clique.He doesn't much care who he pisses off and does things the hard way.He just runs the guts out of a dog.Its hilarious to watch others who have never finished a dog try and tell him what he is doing wrong.


J Murphy

[jumpNrun]

Consistantly hit trials keep your dogs in good shape find a format they fit in Run them like its about all you have to do and you will win some trials make a champion and it takes time sometimes i went from no champ dogs at all to 3 in one year. I was told that in akc find the judge that likes your dogs running style and follow that judge around the country and you will get you akc FC.lol i still believe that if a dogs got it. It will win under any judge though. And murphy that demon dog is what i like in beagles! Judged him in the indiana state finals this year saw him do some amazing line work just driving it! Fast! Whole pack was tuff!

[Joseph J Murphy]

jump I like your comment that says ,Run them like that's about all you have to do.That will always be my weakness. I think you need to put at least 20 hours a week on a hound to get him ready for a Midwest trial .I just don't spend that kind of time with them.The Demon dog is my nephews dog.He has accomplished a lot at a very young age.He has pups on the ground now and I look forward to seeing what they do.

J Murphy

[Mo. Beagler 5000]

Its pretty easy to see that both sides here have great points.. I can find beagles that will not run a rabbit or anything else.... No way you can train it to be an FC and on the other side I can see the genetic side.

I haven't done anything out of the ordinary with my dogs or trained them different yet only one of them is a FC... You can't say I trained the dog to be a champion she just runs a rabbit really well...

[Joseph J Murphy]

What is your FC bred like? what association did she finish in ?How old is she now ?

[Murphy's Kennel]

Jump I appreciate the kind words about Demon.He is the most complete hound I have ever owned. I thought you boys done a good job . And I definately agree about what you said Cause I run my dogs like I am obsessed.. My mother and severals others have said they believe I am addicted either way I love to hear demon jump and run a rabbit. I am liking the reports on his pups as I love mine out of him. Tango at times is performing far beyond his age and time will tell what he produces.

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Casey I disagree when u start a puppy is it ready ta win no does it need.ta be pounded yes. first off u shld start long before two weeks ta get a.dog ready for a trial. U.need ta no.what ur hound needs ta win some dogs need a Wednesday spin before da trial on da weekend some dogs once.rock hard can go week ta week dats if ya have trials week ta week if no trial on da weekend den spin.ur.dog den rest all week. Its all bout figuring out what a dog.needs ta finish and every dog needs different running. Some dogs are high maintance.some aren't. Pound da guts out of.ur.dogs as soon as day start get as much time on dem before.a yr old as u can I believe dats when a hound learns da most at dat age. Figure out what ur dog needs and feed him HARE tracks!!

Harry Snow.Jr.

Hey jr after reading your post, I kinda wanna do a drive by bitzhs.

[NeilKimbrel7]

Gotta friend that has a saying I believe to be very true. BAOTB! Bad ass out the box! Box=womb. If FC's could be made, every dog in my back yard would have fcgd in front of their name.

Hey Neil bring me 1 of those FC'S coming out of the womb and i will let you tell me how long to wait to take it to a field trial with no training and if it makes a FC. i will give you $5,000 for it after it has finished if it dont finish then you give me $5,000 safe bet for a FC OUT OF THE WOMB RIGHT???

So what your saying is screw the training they are born a FC??? THAT IS COMPLETE BULLSH#T!!! I understand the tools have to be there but i dont care who you are you cant take a dog with no training and become a FC if you could why is it so hard to have one?? You cant just have one, You put work into your hounds they dont come out champs!! You have to make them!!! NO ONE IN THE WORLD WOULD BE A CHAMP IF THEY DIDNT PUT THE WORK IN AND MAKE THEMSELVES CHAMPS!! PERIOD POINT BLANK!!

Hey John, bring me one of those FC's you've made.

How much do you train a dog? Do you run out there and jump a rabbit and follow it around by scent and then tell your dogs its their turn? All you have to do with beagles is give them the opportunity. They either have it or they don't. I've seen your judgement of a hound and don't believe you'd recognize one if you saw it. Don't get me wrong I run the guts out of my hounds, but I promise you this the cream will always rise to the top. Nothing I can do can force the cream to rise, it either does or it doesn't. Even if I have some influence by the way I run my hounds, its nothing that can't be duplicated by someone else.

I also believe a born bad ass could be raised on a farm and let loose to run at will. Once it was mature, it could be taken to a trial and win....thus born, not made. It could be self made. John since you like throwing scenarios out there so much how bout this. The next time I get a cull I'll send it to you and if you can make it into a FC I'll give you 5 grand. Your so good at making things this should be no problem for you.

[Lil.Bredemeier]

I guess it could go either way really. I've seen dogs not worth nickle, then another man get em an theyl look great some guys just know how to get the best out of a hound. But I most deff believe the good ones are born. I absolutely run the Hell out my dogs but do to work during the summer I run very little. I have one here that hasn't ran a handfull of times since he started that I'm pretty sure can run a rabbit about as fast an well as an fc I've ever seen he may not score with em yet but all that's due in time this dog has natural talent BAOTB BAD AZZ OUT THE BOX. Now of course this dog will have to be ran trained etc. But never the less natrual talent wich I beleave my buddies was reffering to. The good naturals are born not made. But a lot can most deff be made.

[johns03272008]

Hey Neil you have seen my judgment of a hound!!! Ya i gave your mouthy Kane dog a 4th cause he couldnt shut his lips with all the scent around him then took a back seat when he got pressured!!! Ya he finished congrats to that!! I run my hound 2-3 hrs 5-6 days a week and she is just a young derby dog!!! I do have a male that i will drop down with your male and he aint gonna look like no fool next to a mouthy dog!!! Any dog can look good in areas with lots of rabbits!! Funny thing is i have judged 2 license trials and 1st trial i put a win on a female that is already a FC so my look must not be to bad and 2 trial i judged i put a win on a dog that denny dugan and branko own and i believe she is finished also but not for sure so i guess i dont have a clue do i!! I dont like a mouthy dog nor will i promote one!! Maybe if Kane would have come back into the field instead of trying to run that 3 day old track in the corn that no other dog would honor and he couldnt do anything with we could have had more running!! Anyways congrats on your FC more than i got but he aint for me!!! Apparently you didnt like what i saw and maybe Kane has changed but that day he wasnt the top dog!! I dont go around telling judges they dont what they looking at just cause they didnt place my hound, i simply shake their hands and try again later!!! Also i may not know everything but i try to learn everyday!!! Since you wanted to start pulling cards figured i would join in!! Im done posting on this subject as its just beating a dead horse! For what its worth congrats to you and your FC

[Lil.Bredemeier]

Lol oh my! Man kane is not mouthy...I've seen this dog numerous times a great little hound here.

[Casey Harner]

The way I see BAOTB is this. A pup being able to start in one day, a hound not having to be soloed on hours at a time just to get his head on straight. A true rabbit dog is the same dog day in and day out. Harry Snow Jr said in a earlier post that he runs a hound a lot longer than two weeks before a field trial. My honest opinion is that if it takes your hound a month or two to get his head on straight then I guess you got more time on your hands than I do. BAOTB DOGS, don't need that much time. Its in their blood. IfI had a hound that took that long to get ready for a trial he would end up shot or sold. I'd move him down the road to someone who had that much time and patience. That is what I call a cull in my neck of the woods.


I have a young hound right now that is gonna be on my varsity squad. I am the coach and when hunting season is here I call that game time. I am not about to jump in the briars and jump a rabbit for my "team". You don't see coaches getting out on the court during game play and show his team how its done do you?? Heavens sake no!! So if your not a coach then I take it your a cheerleader instead.. right John??

[NeilKimbrel7]

Hey Neil you have seen my judgment of a hound!!! Ya i gave your mouthy Kane dog a 4th cause he couldnt shut his lips with all the scent around him then took a back seat when he got pressured!!! Ya he finished congrats to that!! I run my hound 2-3 hrs 5-6 days a week and she is just a young derby dog!!! I do have a male that i will drop down with your male and he aint gonna look like no fool next to a mouthy dog!!! Any dog can look good in areas with lots of rabbits!! Funny thing is i have judged 2 license trials and 1st trial i put a win on a female that is already a FC so my look must not be to bad and 2 trial i judged i put a win on a dog that denny dugan and branko own and i believe she is finished also but not for sure so i guess i dont have a clue do i!! I dont like a mouthy dog nor will i promote one!! Maybe if Kane would have come back into the field instead of trying to run that 3 day old track in the corn that no other dog would honor and he couldnt do anything with we could have had more running!! Anyways congrats on your FC more than i got but he aint for me!!! Apparently you didnt like what i saw and maybe Kane has changed but that day he wasnt the top dog!! I dont go around telling judges they dont what they looking at just cause they didnt place my hound, i simply shake their hands and try again later!!! Also i may not know everything but i try to learn everyday!!! Since you wanted to start pulling cards figured i would join in!! Im done posting on this subject as its just beating a dead horse! For what its worth congrats to you and your FC

John you are truly and idiot. The only reason i won't get worked up about your post is because everyone on this board knows it. Why don't you ask your buddy Hoog on whether or not he was mouthy. He only showed the gallery the rabbit half a dozen times. Check your facts.