UKC VS AKC field trial dogs

[chapkosbeagles]

If they ran akc trials out side of pen with no trackers we wouldent sre a very big winners pack
imo

[johns03272008]

I love the fact that some of you have been to 1 or 2 trials and think you know it all!!! There are only a few AKC MIDWEST FEDERATION CLUBS that run in a pen actually i think its only 1 or 2 possibly, the rest are in the wild and yes you can run a tracker but can not have the handheld on you, now most of the ubgf akc clubs run in a pen!!! If you think AKC MIDWEST DOGS are slow and dont hunt i invite anyone to come on over to any AKC MIDWEST FEDERATION hunts and see for yourself, ya we get in the brush and hunt with our dogs but thats why its called a GUNDOG cause when you hunt you dont sit on the tail gate all day!!! I dont know about you but i dont drive hours to not get a rabbit!!! When i hunt i call my dog constantly and keep them close where i am, i dont need a dog going 300 yards out unless they are running a rabbit!!

[chapkosbeagles]

Akc trials in michigan are ran in pens. lp spo midwest ugbf every one I have seen has been in a pen anyway and at every one I saw off game races.
Not saying ukc is any better.

In fact when I start trialing I will be hitting the large pack curcuit with speed and control.
Why mess around in the little leagues.

That is like playing football in high school when u can play in the NFL

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Ya know the reality of it is, I ask about that once about beating bushes and all. I too dont care for it but do to the number of entries and time restarints i suppose its somewhat of a must. I dont really care for it much however thats just the way it is. As the number of series wind down they usally let em hunt especially the winners pack. As far as pens are being talked about, as for me i really dont care if i run in one or not cause i have maybe the fact of off game does play into it however a pen does not make a dogs ability to run a rabbit any different. I think a good dog can run a rabbit and jump his own in a pen or in the wild. I had a chance years ago to go too New York and compete, i can definetly see the advantages to a pen. Maybe we just get hung up on federations and we forget the purpose of promotion amongst our hounds. There is all good and bad in everything that man has created. Especially Competetion.Enjoy the moment and remember as long as nobodys hurt or bleeding its all Ok.

[Bev]

You really cannot compare "UKC dogs" to "AKC dogs." AKC beagle field trials have many different federations and associations, and each runs a little different style/speed of hound. So the question is two-part: What federation of AKC most resembles the UKC style of dog, and what are the differences if any?

I see most people here trying to compare UKC HH format style dogs with United Beagle Gundog Federation bloodlines (Shorts, Otis, etc.). You can't really do that. I think this is happens so much because the UBGF is friggin' HUGE, (4,000+ members and 71 clubs that stretch from Canada to the Deep South). Because the UBGF and its hounds are so widespread, almost everyone who trials has come across some of those hounds. There are some pokey ones in the mix, but I would say they are medium-medium+ speed for the most part. And I say this as a former Little Pack beagler. I have them on film, and they aren't slow.

Abbie and others are correct in suggesting that you compare Midwest Beagle Gundog Association (another collective of AKC Clubs) who promote a quicker hound. I campaigned the same dogs in ARHA Little Pack that I did in Midwest. I saw virtually no difference. We were all running pretty much the same bloodlines, it's just that the 2 different formats rewarded/scored for different things. ARHA was cumulative "score-keeping" jump-strike-check points. Nothing given for style or effort; it was pretty cut and dried. AKC Small Pack Option, which is what UBGF, Midwest, PBGA, DSBGF and all those differenct AKC associations run, allow the judges to perform critical judging. They can employ a point scoring method of their choosing, and give-take points for good actions or bad actions. They can keep one or two or however many dogs they want from each pack to run later, or they don't have to bring back any from a particular pack.

Long story short, to say all AKC dogs are slow is just simply an uninformed statement. When it comes to speed/style, they are at every end of the spectrum. I will say the farther south you go, the more geared down the dog. This is a terrain-dictated. We run squirrel woods and fencerows up here. They run briarpatches so thick you can't push your way through them.

Here's a video that shows AKC SPO Nationals, (I go every year just to watch) that is primarily UBGF PBGA, and Deep South, which is what some are referring to as slow. Eye of the beholder, I guess. They look like good searching gundogs to me. Toward the end of the video I was on 12-zoom because there was no stinkin' way I could stay up with the pack. I'd have no trouble killing rabbits over these dogs with the exception of my poor aim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP1P_IQHZuE

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Yea what she said. Another thing about Ubgf it aint my bag however as Bev points out They are the Big Brother over Everyone, Members and Trials dont lie.Life and Let Live.

[fasttrackpa]

Well said Bev.

[ohlinger]

Bev just wrung out the sponge!!! Good job!!

[Mo. Beagler 5000]

How do you know what type of trail it is when you look at it online? I wanna try a midwest hunt sometime but I cant seem to find any...

[johns03272008]

Google MIDWEST GUNDOG FEDERATION you will find our site on their and there is trials listed under upcoming trials!!!

[Casey Harner]

How do you know what type of trail it is when you look at it online? I wanna try a midwest hunt sometime but I cant seem to find any...

Seems like you have been doing that a lot lately... Put some gas in the truck and go find out what its about. Stop speculating what you think it is or what you think you know. Facts are facts and they out weight curiosity and un educated guesses....

[rabbit chaser]

If they ran akc trials out side of pen with no trackers we wouldent sre a very big winners pack
imo

i STRONGLY DISAGREE with this statement. we had 70 + dogs here at our midwest spo spring trial and guess what. #1. we dont have a pen and #2 in the three days of trialing we had ZERO off game runs by all the packs here in HEAVILY populated deer country and trust me i'm sure some of them had the opportunity. sounds like maybe you need to get to some more trials outside of your immediate area before judgement is passed. just my two cents.

[TrlBustinBeagle]

In fact when I start trialing I will be hitting the large pack curcuit with speed and control.
Why mess around in the little leagues.

That is like playing football in high school when u can play in the NFL


Hey chapkos how do these fast clean dogs compare to that female named betsy you got rid of? If your hounds run like her you got a long long way to go to compete in AKC Midwest. Guess you ran her in too many pens.

[johns03272008]

In fact when I start trialing I will be hitting the large pack curcuit with speed and control.
Why mess around in the little leagues.

That is like playing football in high school when u can play in the NFL


Hey chapkos how do these fast clean dogs compare to that female named betsy you got rid of? If your hounds run like her you got a long long way to go to compete in AKC Midwest. Guess you ran her in too many pens.

Card pulled.

[foxxy]

ran i 1st akc midwest trial sunday had a blast
ran a arha lp dog made winners pack was happy with the over all hunt.
the biggest diffrance i saw was that they gave the dog a chance to prove them selfves
and did i mention the was a slight wind so they gave them time to do it no time limits weather be hr. or 2 hr cast