What You Got To Lose?

[gwyoung]

foxxy, sorry to hear that you have been in the hospital. I am glad though that Buck's post is what made your stay a little easier. Since you have so much time and it is obvious to you that I can't be told a thing and I am always right. How about digging up where I was wrong a few times and someone tried to tell me what was right and I wouldn't listen. Just list what I said that was wrong and where others were right . I think there are a lot of folks who would like to see it. You have the time you made the statement how about backing it up for everyone. I can tell the way you are talking there are just dozens and dozens of times so you shouldn't have any problems. I'm sure it was one of your "Knowledgeable" buddies that was trying to set me straight on the facts. Just go ahead and list them for everyone, I know I am going to be embarrassed by all of the knowledge that I didn't accept from your buddies but go ahead .

[gwyoung]

Ohiohntr, It was a legitimate statement when I said Midwest dogs would not do well in PBGA . I stand by that statement might be why they are two different federations, ever consider that and it was a statement made in general. You seem to say in your second post it was a lack of game, never got that out of your first post. you seemed to indicate that the President of the club and at least one of the officers had a problem with you. I am not trying to start nothing but as people post about things I ask questions, I'M curious that is how a forum works, feel free to question me all you want about what I say. But on the day in question you say they were four packs and a total of 21 dogs. Now this would generally mean three packs of 5 and one of six. Now the pack that really pounded ,were you all lucky enough to have 6 of your seven dogs in this pack or perhaps there was another dog or two or three that was in there pounding? now in the packs that couldn't run a rabbit , were any of your dogs in these packs? If there were other dogs in the pack that really pounded couldn't they have been doing some of the work, and If any of your dogs were in the other packs ( At least one had to be in my opinion) wasn't it possible that the ones you had in the other packs that weren't doing anything indicative of most if not all of your dogs due to the conditions. Why don't you take your dogs back to the club and give them another opportunity as you seem to think they may being trying to clean themselves up and ask them not to put all of your dogs in one pack.

[foxxy]

Just for one on aug. 1 u started crap with mvk
for no reason. That was with in page 3 of looking over post. I prob could go on but i dont need to. Everyone knows you do like to argue.
Nothing wrong with that at all. Hell i like to sometimes as well.

[fasttrackpa]

Fasttrackpa.....the only reason I even posted is because I love it when guys (gwyoung) say "bring your MW hound here or there and we will see how they do".

I love seeing dogs from all over, I want to run my hounds against the "best". I have never been to a MW trial, and I don't think that my hounds would do much good on a high scent day but if the scents bad we'd do OK.

I was treated the same way when I started trialing in PA and made a promise back then that I would do my part at any trial to make sure people were treated the way I would like to be treated. Even if it wasn't my club...it is a whole new ballgame than it was 5 or even 3 years ago. I think there are even a few trials coming up this fall that some guys are coming to judge from out your way...

[bucks better beagles]

I wake up from the only sleep I have had in 3 days and find 5 pages worth of replies to a simple little thread that I put on concerning puppies. I call it a "Cute Puppy" post. Now let me make something real clear for all the truth sayers out there: You folks know more about me than anyone else on this board. Why? Because I can list my own faults without feeling diminished in any way. You may call me a liar and it won't bother me because I did lie about my death but, I couldn't believe anyone that reads these things would take that seriously. After all, I was still logged in and posting. Seriously, nothing is ever seriously with me unless we are talking about substantive issues. As I said at the time, since Bev wouldn't lock the thread, the only way to end it was for me to die.

Of course, the word "coward" does hurt a little bit. I can tell you what it takes to be a coward and what it takes to not be a coward. A "sucker punch" does not make you "not a coward" my friends (not directed at anyone). Violence of any kind is an abhorrence and should be avoided. The threat of violence over something as innocuous (come on this is not a big word) as this is simply silly.

Now, having given you that little blurb; rightly or wrongly, I think some of you guys missed me. Come on, say it.

[Ohiohntr]

casey, you may be right and I may be wrong, bring some midwest trial winners to a trial in Pa and let me know when you are coming, we will make a day of it and post how they did. fair enough?

Did just that a few years ago....We talked about it and just wanted to see how big of a difference there was between the PA clubs and the Midwest (for fun)....we had 7 of the 21 dogs entered in the class (some fast and some slower). President of the club made a point to come up to us in the morning and said "you boys are going to learn something today". Well, two of the packs never ran a rabbit and the other pack had a short little run of about 50 yards. Meanwhile the other pen was pounding....hmmmm

They went to a 14 dog 2nd series and not 1 of our 7 were called back.....lots of snickering going on and one of the club officers even had the nerve to come over and say "see, we told you that you would learn something". We bit our tounges and vowed to never return to that federation even if it was the last trial on earth.

Ohiohntr, It was a legitimate statement when I said Midwest dogs would not do well in PBGA . I stand by that statement might be why they are two different federations, ever consider that and it was a statement made in general. You seem to say in your second post it was a lack of game, never got that out of your first post. you seemed to indicate that the President of the club and at least one of the officers had a problem with you. I am not trying to start nothing but as people post about things I ask questions, I'M curious that is how a forum works, feel free to question me all you want about what I say. But on the day in question you say they were four packs and a total of 21 dogs. Now this would generally mean three packs of 5 and one of six. Now the pack that really pounded ,were you all lucky enough to have 6 of your seven dogs in this pack or perhaps there was another dog or two or three that was in there pounding? now in the packs that couldn't run a rabbit , were any of your dogs in these packs? If there were other dogs in the pack that really pounded couldn't they have been doing some of the work, and If any of your dogs were in the other packs ( At least one had to be in my opinion) wasn't it possible that the ones you had in the other packs that weren't doing anything indicative of most if not all of your dogs due to the conditions. Why don't you take your dogs back to the club and give them another opportunity as you seem to think they may being trying to clean themselves up and ask them not to put all of your dogs in one pack.

21 Entries = 3 packs of 7 (2 packs did not have a single rabbit and 1 pack had a short 50yd run = 3 Packs)

I said the other PEN was pounding...Ya know, the other class that ran that day (Ya know, one pen is usually better than the other one)

You don't get a choice in SPO what pack your dogs are in...they are rolled randomly (although it had no bearing that day)

I think if I was going to a trial out that way again that I would rather go with someone who has been to a trail before instead of you....I think you just showed your experience there chief.

On that note.....I will leave you with a quote that seems real fitting. "Tis better to keep your mouth shut and look like an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

I honestly think you and BBB would argue with a fingerless mute.

[gwyoung]

foxxy, I don't like to argue, But when you state facts it will lead to an argument with some and as I continue to state facts it is seen as arguing by those who have no facts and generally not much of anything.. You said I was often wrong about things and I asked you to give some examples you went back a lot of pages to find what you think is an example , you said no-one could tell me a thing cleary showing you think my facts are what is wrong, show me some examples of where I made a statement and it was factually wrong. should be easier than that if I am wrong so much, as many facts as I have contributed to this board you think it would be easy to find where I was wrong or mis-spoke, After all I am not baby jesus only flesh and blood but I bet if someone finds one mistake, it will be a big deal wont it. but anyhow, you say something about me starting with MVK, I couldn't find it but would like to , even though this probably has nothing to do with facts, would you be more specific as to what thread you finally found something that you believe I was wrong about. I would like to admit it if I was wrong. And I am not saying that I am not wrong on occassion, it's just that if it is so often, all of the people currently searching should be able to find at least a dozen or more instances seeing as how it happens so often. you singled me out and that is fine, but if you do that keep in mind that you should back up what you are talking about and If I single you out I will show you the same courtesy or apologize ! No offense intended, I am just a straight forward, no crap, no wives tales type of guy. I don't care if you are my best friend in the world I will not defend you when you are wrong or join you in a game of pile on, as is so common.

[gwyoung]

ohiohntr, Alright three packs of seven, And I am not trying to be disagreeable here same scenario, Two packs couldn't run did you have any dogs in them, they were packs of seven were all seven of your dogs in one pack? I have a feeling your dogs were scattered amongst the three packs, but I don't know Now if there were only three packs and by your own admission they didn't run a rabbit , which means none of your dogs ran a rabbit , what makes you think they should have used them in second series. Let's start over. Are you saying they placed you and 14 other dogs in a pen with only one rabbit? The President of the club was in on it, at least one officer, and had to be both judges, no- one made any complaints at the time including what had to be several other handlers? Is this what you are saying , just asking why are you so defensive and why the name calling? I am not a trialer and as you know I ask questions and am always looking for facts. I will say it was Nice of all of you to protect the people who were cheaters at the club, not only now but then as well.