What You Got To Lose?

[Casey Harner]

sure, but I just know what Neil has. There a few judges on this board that will agree.

[Murphy's Kennel]

I am pretty sure Chris isn`t the type to sucker punch. I would guess he` more of the type to quit arguing and hit you in your mouth type guy. JMO

[gwyoung]

Murphy, let me tell you how I see him, Buck was posting about something and was being a gentlemen about it. This guys gets on and starts calling Buck a liar, no need for that unless you are wanting to start trouble, I think we can all see that. I simply pointed out to stavemill that we are not perfect regardless of our motives and whether we understand what is being done( as in Buck's case) but anyhow I simply asked him if he had ever told a lie, that is what made Buck a liar right. So if he has any room to call anyone else a liar than he cannot have ever told a lie. Now, I didn't call him a liar , but he got upset, why? He went on to call me and Buck a coward, but you know what I'm am still sitting here at my computer waiting for him to come down here and discuss it , I guess he is still hiding behind his as he has accused others of doing. As far as dog , let's go back and see if he was trying to start something with the peanut gallery remark which was uncalled for. Let me re-cap it for you. Buck was being nice , Stavemill jumps in and calls him a liar( and if one is biased I can see how they would think he is not trying to start something) I simply tried to point out that what makes one a liar makes all of us a liar. we all know what a liar is and the circumstances which makes one so. You can look at it anyway you like, but it appears that Buck and some others appear to be able to have pleasant conversations, until some others jump in with nasty commentary,( I have been accussed of giving too many facts, for crying out loud,not that anyone can prove my facts wrong it's just that too many facts apparently hurt their head! ) they then cannot back themselves up and the next thing you know their biased friends think they are being given a hard time. I don't have a problem with you or your opinion, my opinion of him is different.

[Murphy's Kennel]

I am not going to get into buck this or that gw this or that or dog this or that. Now what I did was just stated what I believe about my friend and sucker punches. And truthfully could care less what he said about Buck or anyone else or the point you were trying to prove. Chris and his family are treally good friends of mine. Usually when I see a combinations of Bucks, yours, Dogs, chris and the rest of the ones who like too keep this arguing or drama going I try not to even read it. Not saying I dont sometimes read it. To each his own if you all like to argue then have at it. I really could care less. I even sometime think its funny(when I do read it.)

[gwyoung]

Murphy, To be perfectly honest with you I always think it is funny, I have never been mad one minute in my life on here, intelligence demands that one stays away from that which would make him mad, especially if it is voluntary, I get a kick out of some of these ole boys, Now do I intentionally rile them up , no, I don't but I back my opinion up with facts and defend myself against rude and the occasional unintelligent comment. This riles 'em up for some reason. I generally sit here with tears of laughter streaming down my face, I can just picture some of these ole boys as they are posting, All puffed up, face all red cussing a blue streak, lips all pouted out slobbering and spitting as they try to speak, cracks me up.

[Casey Harner]

As far as dog , let's go back and see if he was trying to start something with the peanut gallery remark which was uncalled for. Let me re-cap it for you. Buck was being nice , Stavemill jumps in and calls him a liar

Like everyone has said in the past, we all have opinions. I believe this is mine and this is what I feel Chris meant on this. Buck faked his own death, by saying his wife found him at the computer. GW, you and many others thought it was funny. Some others thought it was immature and disgusting. I don't want to hear what you thought about it since I brung it back up. Buck was going back and forth about leaving this place and coming back. I do like his posts, but the whole "his wife found him slumped over the computer" was a little wierd and distasteful in my honest opinion. He faked his death, little bit of a lie dontcha think?? Everyone has lied in their lives I am sure, including me, so we can go ahead and burry the hatchet and not bring up if I have lied before. Chris stated that he wouldn't do business with Buck due to the fact he faked his own death. He lied about that, would he lie about paying Chris $500.00 if Chris was going to sell him a pup. You see where I am getting at?? There are a lot of people on here that like Buck. I find his posts interesting at times, he has good knowledge of the game, but I do feel his stunt was stupid. I'm glad Buck wasn't really slumped over his computer. We all know how life can all of a sudden grab ahold of our love ones, and we wish it was only a joke and they were still here, but you know what GW, they are not. So faking a death is just plain wrong.....

Thats my opinion, so go ahead GW... nick pick what I was wrong about, like you do every other post... I said my peace I'm off this board for a while....

[Ohiohntr]

casey, you may be right and I may be wrong, bring some midwest trial winners to a trial in Pa and let me know when you are coming, we will make a day of it and post how they did. fair enough?

Did just that a few years ago....We talked about it and just wanted to see how big of a difference there was between the PA clubs and the Midwest (for fun)....we had 7 of the 21 dogs entered in the class (some fast and some slower). President of the club made a point to come up to us in the morning and said "you boys are going to learn something today". Well, two of the packs never ran a rabbit and the other pack had a short little run of about 50 yards. Meanwhile the other pen was pounding....hmmmm

They went to a 14 dog 2nd series and not 1 of our 7 were called back.....lots of snickering going on and one of the club officers even had the nerve to come over and say "see, we told you that you would learn something". We bit our tounges and vowed to never return to that federation even if it was the last trial on earth.

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

casey, you may be right and I may be wrong, bring some midwest trial winners to a trial in Pa and let me know when you are coming, we will make a day of it and post how they did. fair enough?

Did just that a few years ago....We talked about it and just wanted to see how big of a difference there was between the PA clubs and the Midwest (for fun)....we had 7 of the 21 dogs entered in the class (some fast and some slower). President of the club made a point to come up to us in the morning and said "you boys are going to learn something today". Well, two of the packs never ran a rabbit and the other pack had a short little run of about 50 yards. Meanwhile the other pen was pounding....hmmmm

They went to a 14 dog 2nd series and not 1 of our 7 were called back.....lots of snickering going on and one of the club officers even had the nerve to come over and say "see, we told you that you would learn something". We bit our tounges and vowed to never return to that federation even if it was the last trial on earth.

Well Kelly sounds like we all just learned something.

[stavemillbeagles]

[quote="stavemillbeagles"
I'm not known to cast the first stone I'm more of a throw the first punch kind of guy and if you think thats a lie then you and BBB can come see me or just talk big behind the computer like a coward would do. [/quote]

GW, BBB, a you can see from my post I didn't call anyone a coward I said come see me or just talk big behind the computer like a coward would do!

You guys are the ones that made the decision to stay behind your keyboard like a coward so I see where you stand by your own decision

[fasttrackpa]

casey, you may be right and I may be wrong, bring some midwest trial winners to a trial in Pa and let me know when you are coming, we will make a day of it and post how they did. fair enough?

Did just that a few years ago....We talked about it and just wanted to see how big of a difference there was between the PA clubs and the Midwest (for fun)....we had 7 of the 21 dogs entered in the class (some fast and some slower). President of the club made a point to come up to us in the morning and said "you boys are going to learn something today". Well, two of the packs never ran a rabbit and the other pack had a short little run of about 50 yards. Meanwhile the other pen was pounding....hmmmm

They went to a 14 dog 2nd series and not 1 of our 7 were called back.....lots of snickering going on and one of the club officers even had the nerve to come over and say "see, we told you that you would learn something". We bit our tounges and vowed to never return to that federation even if it was the last trial on earth.

What club was this? That kind of behavior is unacceptable anywhere and alot has changed in the last couple years. PM me if you don't want to post the club. I wouldn't blame anyone for the kind of bad taste left after that kind of treatment....

[gun runner]

Was there a difference in the dogs or just the judging i must have miss something.I tell you guys something i wood galdy have any of you guys down here for running dogs cold beer and Maryland blue crabs.We will be the judges and have a good time.I can never find any body that wants to run dogs in the summer.

[gwyoung]

casey, didn't say you were stupid or wrong, But we all know what we know, do you feel that is was right for stavemill to call Buck a liar, in the way that he did are you honestly telling me he wasn't trying to start trouble? Has he never told a lie, If not then I will apologize if he has ever told a lie then that makes him a liar also doesn't it , doesn't it and he would have no right to call Buck one, He was trying to start trouble, thats plain.
Stavemill , I heard George Washington never told a lie, can we add your name to this short list yes or no. Also, I asked you if you had ever told a lie and you started slobbering and spitting and asked me to come up. I asked you since you are the one who was obviously wanted to start something to come on down or hide behind your computer and be a coward as you have accused others of being.

Ohiohntr, I would be interested in knowing what club and what year it was also. this way we will know who the president was who said these things to you. and also perhaps the officer, Obviously they had some crooked judges too, I wouldn't know how else to explain the fact that you had a third of the dogs in the trial and couldn't even make second series! This is unacceptable please fill us in on the info, thank You.

[foxxy]

boys this post has made my long stay at this hospital lil easier.
but from now on
i am gonna call bbb = god and gwyoung= baby jesus
because they are always right and u are wrong cant tell them a thing
just go back and look at post on other subjects ( i have had planty of time to do so)
and ya i would call buck a liar like chris
he did lie about being dead or leaving
or was it your wife again idk u tell us maybe we will listen idk

[cegibbs]

you guys have to much time on your hands!!!!!

[Ohiohntr]

Ohiohntr, I would be interested in knowing what club and what year it was also. this way we will know who the president was who said these things to you. and also perhaps the officer, Obviously they had some crooked judges too, I wouldn't know how else to explain the fact that you had a third of the dogs in the trial and couldn't even make second series! This is unacceptable please fill us in on the info, thank You.

Naw...no need to drag a club through the mud, may not even be the same people running it anymore so it wouldn't be fair to them for me to run people off if they are trying to make a go of it. It was just a personal experience.....I am sure they are not all "crooked" so I am not going to go there at all. Heck, maybe if we would have had game everything would be a different story....the whole day just sucked. I am sure a several folks from PA SPO have had horrible experiences at MW clubs in which case I wouldn't expect them to waste their hard earned money coming back to try again.

Fasttrackpa.....the only reason I even posted is because I love it when guys (gwyoung) say "bring your MW hound here or there and we will see how they do".

Back to the orginal question....No, I would not give BBB a pup to try out for a year.