Money Made or Real FC?

[mybeagles]

So if a dog doesn't run the speed you like it doesn't deserve its title? I don't own traditional brace hounds and never will but if they earn their title among dogs the same speed among guys that prefer that speed what makes them undeserving?

I personally don't care for 99% of the hounds that run at an 8+ on speed, but if they earn their title in a format that promotes that speed among other hounds that run that speed then I would argue they earned their title.

In my opinion a hound that accounts for their game and makes contiuous forward progress regardless of speed is a real FC. Most cant do that.....It's been my experience that very "fast" hounds do a very poor job accounting for their game. If scenting is great or the running grounds is loaded with rabbits they can gamble all over the woods and hit pieces of hot track, but get those hounds out in the dry weather we are currently having or the cold ice of winter and they aggrivate me to death.

I like your "best of the worst" analogy and I would say the same thing for the fastest of formats.

Mybeagles

[likeemfast]

MYBEAGLES, not that it really matters, hypothetically of course, i have nothing against Trialing, its just not for me, but if a hound that flies on the line, 9 plus speed, cuts and skirts in the right direction for 2 trials and just is in the right spot at the right time and gets 2 wins, then on the 3rd trial he gets his win he was just the best of the worst is that dog deserving or just lucky? It could happen, right? Its like a bad cornerback in football, he can be at the right spot at the right time and get a couple interceptions in big games, gets a big contract extension, and the next year he couldnt cover his grandmother and does nothing. Was he deserving of the big payday, or just lucky?

[mybeagles]

likemfast,

If he earns his wins and point against the same style hound I consider him deserving. The hound is just a better gambler than the rest; sort of like a good "poker player". I just wouldn't care to own it, I would rather have a good "carpenter" that doesn't gamble on finding the line. Doesn't make the style I prefer any better, just different and there are great dogs in every format and junk in every format. The great dogs in their respective formats are all deserving champions.

Interesting to me is the fact that the only guys labeling dogs as undeserving FC's are the guys that dont own FC's in any format. I think the reason is, guys with FC's know how difficult it is to finish a dog regardless of the format.

Mybeagles

[likeemfast]

MYBEAGLES, .............. i totally understand what a guy goes thru to finish a hound. As i said its not for me. I would rather take out all i have and run them than just put all my work into one hound. Cost, gas money, overnight stays, night away from family just to name a few. I just think as stated not always the best team wins and there could be some backdoor championships. I wouldnt know if a dog was undeserving of a FC cause i dont go to them, was just asking if scenario i stated made you feel they were still deserving or just maybe lucky, thats all. Thanks for your response.

[dog]

ive seen traditional brace dogs and if you call what they do making forward progress and accounting for game then i fully understand the difference in opinion , we wont even mention letting those dogs find and jump their own rabbit ! there aint enough hours in the day for anything they do , most ive seen are fat and out of shape , there is no need for them to be in shape . i believe they are called field trials , i believe they should be able to do everything they need to do from the the time they come out of the truck till the time they go back and do it all very well and very consistantly , including haddling ! do we not agree that a champion in one format would get picked up another ? that is all im saying, to many differences for me to put much stock in a title , i'll watch the dog run and decide if i like it , until then it is just another dog ! they only point i am trying to make is until all these formats and sanctioning bodies expect the same thing from a dog the only people that a title means anything too is the one that titled it or the ones that like that style of dog ! i'll give you another example , we used too race stock cars , local dirt track , super street stock class , never one a track championship but somebody did every year and i didnt see any sprint cup owners knocking on their doors , you know why ? because the only people who cared were the ones that drove in that class ! it meant nothing to everybody else ! oh and i dont believe your going to hear much disagreement with you from guys that own Fc's , kind of a no-brainer there ! and its not just because they know how hard it is to finish a dog , some of them know how they got it ! and thats also a fact !

[bucks better beagles]

Likem: Hypothetical reasoning is meaningless. I can come up with any number of scenarios where you might say that a FC title is not deserving. The facts are that they are real. The boys that have one are real. The dogs that earned them did just that, earned them. This very well may not be your "cup of tea" but that means nothing. If wishing would get me a FC, I would have 4 of them out here. It doesn't but I don't knock the men that put in the effort.

[likeemfast]

Buck, i dont take anything away from a Trialer until they say Gunhunters are kennel blind and we dont see enough hounds as Gunhunters CAUSE WERE NOT DRIVING TO TRIALS every week. Maybe some are but dont put us all in the same barrel, same could be said for trialers too then. As i stated i met the same gentlemen you guys have met as a gunhunter, some before they even trialed. Ive learned that this Beagler Board needs the Gunhunters cause we say what we feel. We dont have to Politically correct like a Trialer cause we dont have to worry about whos gonna judge our hound next week or who said what about our stud or said my hound didnt deserve its title or whatever. I dont care what guys do with their FC's, ive owned some too, to each their own, ya act like their hard to come by. They are for sale everywhere you look, theres some finishing every week,and for what someone puts into them to make them FC your better off waiting till he sells it and buy one then if u want one. I go after what i think will better my gun dog pack, AKC, UKC, ARHA, FC, whatever, if it will hopefully benefit i will try it.

[bfoster]

After reading all this, I think the only thing that can be agreed upon is that people are passionate about their dogs.

Congratulations to all that "Finish"!! Be that finishing for a title or finishing a successful hunt with a full game bag.

To the Beagle... Hear, hear

[dog]

After reading all this, I think the only thing that can be agreed upon is that people are passionate about their dogs.

Congratulations to all that "Finish"!! Be that finishing for a title or finishing a successful hunt with a full game bag.

To the Beagle... Hear, hear

[BigStrutter]

I've always wondered about a FC that got all three wins with the same judge and different places with different judges. I also look for consistant placing, I'm fixing to breed to a male soon that has 2 wins, 12 seconds and 1 third in his 15 trials last year. He should get his win this year, but seeing that he got 12 seconds all over NC and SC with many different judges, terrain, and grounds shows me that he is a very consistant hound.

Ned