Money Made or Real FC?

[BCBeagles]

Dog, pack up your best and go to a trial. If they put in work they will stay down, if they put in work the way they are supposed to with speed and accuracy and correct mouth, they just may win!! It is not nearly all the doom and gloom you mention, IMO. LOL.

[mybeagles]

There are many formats to suit almost any style hound but I think the guys that breed for a particular format do the best. The guys that finish numerous FC every year have hounds that fit the format to a "T" and know what it takes to have their hounds ready to perform each weekend. Will never begrudge anyone for that.

Some of the hounds that take years to finish are hounds that don't fit the format perfectly. For example, a hound that runs clean and close at a medium speed will take a long time to finish in the Mid-west or Little pack format. Hard hitting hounds a little looser on the line will do better. Both may be excellent hounds of equal ability but their style might not fit the format.

Most field trialers only hit a couple trials a year. It may take me 5 years to hit the amount of trials a dedicated field trialer hits in 6 months. I may never finish a dog that another guy could finish in 1 year.

Dogs that finish quick certainly draw attention to themselves but honestly you need to watch a hound run a couple times in person to know if its what you should breed to.

Mybeagles

[dog]

Dog you seem to hear a lot or know a lot about trials yet you dont trial? Makes as much sense as the guy who once told me he hated the style of dog i have, yet when i asked if he seen my dog ran he said no, he heard about him from someone.

You are looking at trialing in a negative way. Try looking from another point of view, the one most of us have.....We do it for fun, to hang with friends and meet new friends and talk about the thing we love most, and run different dogs against each other for the fun of it.

just because i dont trial dont mean i dont have an idea of what happens at them , i have been on these boards a long time , know guys that trial , awlful lot of complaining seems to go on at these things , just about a riot on UKC boards about some of this stuff , i fully understand where you are coming from though , you are a trialer , most that comented on this topic are trialers , i believe alot of people go for the fun , talking with others beaglers and meeting new friends , it only takes a few to ruin that , or one unfair judge , no need for me to go to them , i know enough to know it is not my cup of tea if its yours i say go and enjoy them , i believe one of the last couple post summed it up great , championing a dog is all about what and how much you put into it , jmo

[Ron Conroe]

mybeagles, i know you would take every fc out there. you and i both know there are fc out there that should have never finished, but money and the name will get er done. if there are guys out there that don't believe that, wake up you are dreaming.

[Farm dog]

Dog, just wanted to clear up that guys can't judge their own dogs in akc or judge dogs that they have handled.

[dog]

[khensler01]

mybeagles have said it to a tee.I totally agree ,thats what I've seen.I have had dogs that I sold that placed as soon as I sold them.I don't have the time or money to trial every weekend .Just because you don't trial it doesn't mean your dogs are lesser ability,I like running with dogs that trial for a measuring stick but after you have run several years and you pay attention to detail and you will learn what it takes and if your hounds are good enough to win.Ken

[dog]

I fully understand there are Fc's out there that are very deserving , but there are just as many that arent , i have ran with a couple that were not only not deserving of the title , they were not real good rabbit dogs , not in my opinion anyway . now for those dogs to get those titles something shady happened !

[lebro]

i try to mimic my dogs attitude at the trials. lets just go run some more rabbits dont care win lose or draw i just wanna run rabbits but i promise i will not sniff your butt

[mybeagles]

I fully understand there are Fc's out there that are very deserving , but there are just as many that arent ,

While I have been critical of field trials in the past, my intent has always been to expose areas that need to be improved or exposed. However, I have always believe MOST of the FC's in the formats I have run in earned their title. They may not be a hound I would want to own as pertains to style or how they go about it, but it doesn't mean they didn't earn their title. Dog to insinuate that "just as many are not deserving" is to suggest 1/2 the FC's don't deserve their title and I cant agree with that. You stated you have seen a couple and perhaps they were from the same kennel. I would say if a guy has an undeserving FC there is a good chance he has a couple. There is a small handfull of kennels with FC's that I would have a dog from for multiple reasons, but for the most part if a field trialer has multiple FC's I'm all ears looking for some pearls to slip out......

Mybeagles

[dog]

they were not from the same kennel , not from the same breeding , completely different dogs , all i am saying is you can take a solid dog and if you put the time and money into these trials you can title it , its a fact ! my point is as long as there are different formats and judges that like different things there are going to be dogs that are FC's that shouldnt be . a dog that is an FC in one format would get picked up in another ! how do you think all of these different formats got started in the first place , they got started by guys that couldnt compete in the current format or formats so they started another one that fit the style of dog they liked , am i not right ! so if my dogs cant title in any of the current formats and i go start my own and call them champions what is that worth ! ill step up here , the old AKC brace dogs that were put on a rabbit to blow holes in the ground for 20 min and cover 15 yards are not worthy of any title to me , and from what i read on these boards most agree , to each there own , but does those titles mean anything to most , nope , again , a title's beauty is in the eye of its holder . IMO , as long as there are FC's out there that i wouldnt feed then titles means nothing to me , they are just a piece of paper !

[mybeagles]

my point is as long as there are different formats and judges that like different things there are going to be dogs that are FC's that shouldnt be .

In your opinion what should a dog have to do to make FC? How should it be determined?

Mybeagles

[lebro]

itm is far easier to get a good gun dog than a dog that can compete and win trials that a gun hunter/ trialer would own. wich is what i would say at least 80% of us are. i think if you would attend a few trials, compete and make some new friends you would see why there are diffrent formats. by the way my dogs suck at brace and ubgf hunts so dont worry about critizing them because with your theory that new formats were brought about to suit dogs that cant get it done in the other formats mean my dogs are just a bunch of culls. also if any solid dogs can get a title ill look to see your dogs get some titles or quit telling us how easy it is. people who stand on the sidelines of any sport and tell us how easy it is need to step up .........................................

[dog]

what my opinion of a good dog is doesnt matter , thats my point , to many opinions of what a good dog should be . as for all the different formats , and yes Lebro , ill bet to those brace trial guys , your dogs are culls , thats the point im trying to make here , didnt say you created those formats but somebody sure did and it was because they couldnt compete at the trials they were going too at the time and was told those arent the style dogs we like so they went out and started trials for the kind of dogs they liked ! that is fact ! just stating that an FC title in a format that another person dont like means nothing to that person , awlful lot of bickering and complaining and protesting goes on at those things for a bunch of guys that just like to get together with others and have a good time and run dogs , just sayin ! If you stand on the sidelines once in awhile and watch you tend to see the whole picture much clearer !

[dog]

I guess the best way i know to put it is like this , i hate a traditional brace style dog , have no use for them and IMO there is no use for them as rabbit dogs so an FC in that format amounts to nothing more than the best of the worst to me and guess what , the best of the bad is still bad in my book !