extra barking on a rabbit track..

[augerhead]

Lebro, Why would anbody expect a smart dog to ignore the foolish barker, I'm not saying they won't.they will, but when they do you get some issues. First if the fool this time really has the track then the honest one is out, should the smart dog be able to tell the difference. To me a mouthy dog is no different than one that is foul, both are hard to have a good race with and both are faults. Some of the toughest dogs to run with are the ones that are fast, frontend minded, foolish dogs that can run a rabbit. It leave a good honest dog in a mess, I've seen them that will run a full dummy loop like they are catching it and fall right back on the track without a breakdown at all. What should the good smart dog do then?

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Lebro, Why would anbody expect a smart dog to ignore the foolish barker, I'm not saying they won't.they will, but when they do you get some issues. First if the fool this time really has the track then the honest one is out, should the smart dog be able to tell the difference. To me a mouthy dog is no different than one that is foul, both are hard to have a good race with and both are faults. Some of the toughest dogs to run with are the ones that are fast, frontend minded, foolish dogs that can run a rabbit. It leave a good honest dog in a mess, I've seen them that will run a full dummy loop like they are catching it and fall right back on the track without a breakdown at all. What should the good smart dog do then?

pee on a bush and go find a rabbit instead of a ghost?

[lebro]

augerhead; they should run what they smell and not just follow another dog because he is barking. they should check in with a dog that is barking but not get caught up in it. then leave it to the handler to take care of the rest. one ghost rabbit race and im never gonna run my dogs with that dog again unless at a trial and i have no choice.the dog you described is a babbling idiot not extra mouth.by the way i want good honest dogs also but what if the dog is the best jump dog that has ever lived and has a little extra mouth, not a babbling idiot, do you cull this dog for barking before the rabbit is up, or popping off in the check area? dont mistake what im saying i dont own this dog or know of anyone that does just playing the extremes game.

[Casey Harner]

Lebro, Why would anbody expect a smart dog to ignore the foolish barker, I'm not saying they won't.they will, but when they do you get some issues. First if the fool this time really has the track then the honest one is out, should the smart dog be able to tell the difference. To me a mouthy dog is no different than one that is foul, both are hard to have a good race with and both are faults. Some of the toughest dogs to run with are the ones that are fast, frontend minded, foolish dogs that can run a rabbit. It leave a good honest dog in a mess, I've seen them that will run a full dummy loop like they are catching it and fall right back on the track without a breakdown at all. What should the good smart dog do then?

Auger your question has an easy answer....cull them on the spot.

[augerhead]

Lebro, no reason to get excited.I stated in my post that I wasn't talkin about a dog that has a little extra mouth but a foolish barking dog. You asked in your post if a barking dog has bad for the other dogs or just the owner I simply was giving my veiw that is was bad for both. You stated a smart dog will adjust I agreed but I don't think it helps I think it hurts to have a foolish barking dog in a race thats all.

And no of course I would not cull my best dog regurdless of of his faults,to me I like an honest mouth dog, but some of the best I have owned have been a little loose but they were still the best. The problem with a dog that barks to much has more to do with the handler. I get tired of hearing He will run with out you, he just has alot more nose than the rest, a honest dog can't run a rabbit and ect. Dogs that bark too much, BARK TOO MUCH it is as simple as that. If you don't care or it's not bad enough to mess anything up or you just like to hear them thats fine. But we don't need to make excuses for them or throw off on a clean running hound to justifie there fault. Bottom line barking when you shouldn't is a fault what degree you can deal with is up to the owner.

[bucks better beagles]

Norshore wrote: Great Quote Norshore, guess my question is why would anyone cock there gun before they see fur anyway? Unless its to blow a mouthy azz dogs brains out.See low wrote: bodetis say,,,, bodetis wrote:
i rabbit hunt only and my dogs give xtra, but will bring the rabbit back to the gun almost every time, isnt that what its all about. for me my dogs are solid gun dogs.no trash and handle great with out e collers, so a little xtra is no big deal. people who trial live by a different code and thats fine, but for me i woud go crazy trying to have or boost about that perfect dog!!
i would think a a guy that does nothin buut gun hunt,,,would rather have a more honest dog.... i've done a lot of gun hunting ,,, and i never could stand a mouthy dog in the woods it seems like you would get tired of the extra mouth not knowing when they have it up or when there just babbling...dont you get tired of cocking your gun? i dont mean to to be negative or step on anyones toes... i just find it intreging to hear other hunters takes on rabbit hunting.. with a gun or just pleasure running or even the trialers...

Somewhere in here is a quadruple quote. Tell me, is anybody still reading this?

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Norshore wrote: Great Quote Norshore, guess my question is why would anyone cock there gun before they see fur anyway? Unless its to blow a mouthy azz dogs brains out.See low wrote: bodetis say,,,, bodetis wrote:
i rabbit hunt only and my dogs give xtra, but will bring the rabbit back to the gun almost every time, isnt that what its all about. for me my dogs are solid gun dogs.no trash and handle great with out e collers, so a little xtra is no big deal. people who trial live by a different code and thats fine, but for me i woud go crazy trying to have or boost about that perfect dog!!
i would think a a guy that does nothin buut gun hunt,,,would rather have a more honest dog.... i've done a lot of gun hunting ,,, and i never could stand a mouthy dog in the woods it seems like you would get tired of the extra mouth not knowing when they have it up or when there just babbling...dont you get tired of cocking your gun? i dont mean to to be negative or step on anyones toes... i just find it intreging to hear other hunters takes on rabbit hunting.. with a gun or just pleasure running or even the trialers...

Somewhere in here is a quadruple quote. Tell me, is anybody still reading this?

Hey Buck its 93 degrees in kentucky right now, boneyard hot. Not sure if a mouthy or honest dog eiether one could run at 12.45 in the bluegrass, and no i aint reading it too awfully much kinda lost its Glitter.Btw this message makes it a quadtuple message

[bucks better beagles]

MVK, et al said "bucks better beagles wrote:
Norshore wrote: Great Quote Norshore, guess my question is why would anyone cock there gun before they see fur anyway? Unless its to blow a mouthy azz dogs brains out.See low wrote: bodetis say,,,, bodetis wrote:
i rabbit hunt only and my dogs give xtra, but will bring the rabbit back to the gun almost every time, isnt that what its all about. for me my dogs are solid gun dogs.no trash and handle great with out e collers, so a little xtra is no big deal. people who trial live by a different code and thats fine, but for me i woud go crazy trying to have or boost about that perfect dog!!
i would think a a guy that does nothin buut gun hunt,,,would rather have a more honest dog.... i've done a lot of gun hunting ,,, and i never could stand a mouthy dog in the woods it seems like you would get tired of the extra mouth not knowing when they have it up or when there just babbling...dont you get tired of cocking your gun? i dont mean to to be negative or step on anyones toes... i just find it intreging to hear other hunters takes on rabbit hunting.. with a gun or just pleasure running or even the trialers...

Somewhere in here is a quadruple quote. Tell me, is anybody still reading this?

Hey Buck its 93 degrees in kentucky right now, boneyard hot. Not sure if a mouthy or honest dog eiether one could run at 12.45 in the bluegrass, and no i aint reading it to"

YOUR POST GAVE ME A SMILE. We are approaching the absurd here but I think I have 6 quotes in the above. It is over 80 degrees in Michigan and people like me have nothing to do but make posts like this.

[See low]

augerhead; they should run what they smell and not just follow another dog because he is barking. they should check in with a dog that is barking but not get caught up in it. then leave it to the handler to take care of the rest. one ghost rabbit race and im never gonna run my dogs with that dog again unless at a trial and i have no choice.the dog you described is a babbling idiot not extra mouth.by the way i want good honest dogs also but what if the dog is the best jump dog that has ever lived and has a little extra mouth, not a babbling idiot, do you cull this dog for barking before the rabbit is up, or popping off in the check area? dont mistake what im saying i dont own this dog or know of anyone that does just playing the extremes game.

this is why i say that a foolish dog can be more diruptive than a rough swinging silent mouthed dog... obviesly some of you guys dont have the competitive style dogs that i hunt,,, however eventually a good hound will ignore the foolishness,,...jmo

[Tonyallen83]

See low, Please describe for me a competition style dog I don't think I am following you. If a dog has the speed of 6 and runs the rabbit as fast as it can is it being competitive. Or must a dog swing and cut the front? To me that's not being competitive, that's being rough or dirty. Just trying to follow.

[augerhead]

Tony, What, you are not serious are you? You now what Seelow is saying. No a dog doesn't have to be dirty to be competitive.Maybe your " SAMPLE SIZE" is a little small.

[See low]

See low, Please describe for me a competition style dog I don't think I am following you. If a dog has the speed of 6 and runs the rabbit as fast as it can is it being competitive. Or must a dog swing and cut the front? To me that's not being competitive, that's being rough or dirty. Just trying to follow.

a competition style dog is a dog that wants control of the track....... he or she refuses to be satisfied with the other dogs or the rabbit to be in costant control,,,, im hoping some of these guys will understand and help me further explain....