extra barking on a rabbit track..

[dog]

i have to disagree about being a few inches off the line keeping quiet , some dogs , i have one , on a good scent day can run a track with authority and do it yards off the actual line , i beleive if they cant smell it they should keep quiet , but i dont want a dog that has to have the track between his feet to smell it , too me this is lack of nose , i want them to run a track as tight as they have too , not straddle it because they have too , if that makes sense !

[bucks better beagles]

Casey, you got it right my friend. Good description.

C-look sounds like ol' #1beagles has your number. I have to agree. Blaming other people's dogs for yours not showing is pretty lame. A good dog, like a good man, looks good in all company. Just get on with the business of running a rabbit. I know you have just returned from the hospital and all, but son, get over it, get a dog, and tell 'em to kiss your ass. BK

[bucks better beagles]

C-low: What's this "send 'em to Santa Claus" thing. I have been referred to a lot as "Santa Claus". Do you mean send them to me? I can't take them all nor do I want them. BK

[bucks better beagles]

Eh Dog: You said, "i have to disagree about being a few inches off the line keeping quiet , some dogs , i have one , on a good scent day can run a track with authority and do it yards off the actual line , i beleive if they cant smell it they should keep quiet , but i dont want a dog that has to have the track between his feet to smell it , too me this is lack of nose , i want them to run a track as tight as they have too , not straddle it because they have too , if that makes sense !".

I am not sure the type of dog you are referring to. A track straggler is way to slow for most people these days but a dog that can run "yards off the line" may be a bit rough. Course, that's how my foxhound beagles do it on a fox.

[littlewoody]

I have one that is tight mouth when he barks i know 100% the rabbits up. Then i have a pup out butkus that start barking right off the truck. My blue sly hound know when the pup is on a rabbit. The whole time im wondering what the pup is barking about is it a fresh track old track driving me nuts.

[See low]

bbb; you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink... you can show some of these guys time and time again they just wont learn..... if you had takin the time to read my earlier post in responce to #1 niel you would see that i am willin to prove my ole slow dog anytime..... you know me better than that..I've paid a many 50 dollar bill just because i dont back.....

[dog]

buck , Yards might be an exageration , but a few feet is not , what i mean is if a dog has to have the track between his feet to smell it , i dont want it , to me that is no nose , rough maybe , i watched my male run a rabbit acrossed a football field one time saw the exact line the rabbit took , it was a light rain with 20 mph cross wind blowing and when he hit the open field he was 5 yds off the line, down wind , head up , locked on him , the closer he got to cover and out of the wind the tighter he got to the line , by the time he hit the edge he was back on the line , thats what i mean

[See low]

and by the way.. i dont care if there 20 ft off the track, if they can smell it good enough to rock and roll..they should rock and roll.. my kinda dog.. the further there head is up the faster they can go... im gonna qoute an ole friend and mentor hunter... he says he wants his dogs to run as fast as possible and as slow as nessesary.....tommy courter..... my mentor

[Casey Harner]

Casey, you got it right my friend. Good description.

Thanks, I know a lot of people think I don't know a dang thing about dogs, but I know a little....


I always thought when a single dog in the pack was barking he was the best nose dog in the pack while the others weren't talking, but as years went by I had to really look to see if he was either the biggest nose dog or was he the mouthiest?? I know my 10 month old pup, when he opens up he has a rabbit up, when he shuts up while on the line, the rabbit has made a turned... I have seen this dog run a rabbit across a gravel road, so the nose is there and I believe the brains is there. Give him a few years to mature and watch out....

[augerhead]

I hate a foolish barking dog!!! But I have owned several in my life I would love them all to have used there mouth correctly but they didn't.The key to this is I knew they barked to much would admit to anyone that questioned... what is he doing? It to me is no differant than any other fault, lack of hunt,running trash ect. The problem to me is when the owner of a mouthy dog spends all his time trying to make excuses on why his dog is barking foolish,I've heard them all. He has alot more nose than the other 15 dogs out there he don't bark foolish just makes mistakes, did you see the rabbit maybe it ran acouple loopie do the rest of the dogs missed, oh and my fav his is grubbing doing the work the others are just waiting for a hot track to run. A GOOD MOUTHY dog will make you forgive his foolishness you don't have to defend him with lame excuses. Yes I said a good mouthy foolish dog, as bad as I hate this fault I would much rather have a good hard hunting, rabbit running, front end running rabbit jumping mouthy dog than an honest non- exciting average pack running metooer! jmo

[#1beaglesNeil]

I want to know if running 100 yards off a rabbit and barking is barking off.

[mdbeagler]

When a race comes to a stop due to the rabbit pulling a check I want my dogs silent. WHen they pick up the scent I want them to claim it with a authority and fire out of it. I expect this as well when they over run the line, shut up and come back to the line and when they have it go. I feel its lack of brains and self control. Even if they are inches off the line they shouldn't be giving mouth.

I have seen and owned several dogs that could run a track several inches to feet off the line and make
every turn with the rabbit and not miss a beat.
That is nose power when tracking conditions are favorable. if tracking wasn't favorable they would straddle
the track. That is nose power and brains, a dog that has to straddle a track to run it either lacks nose, speed
or maybe experience.
When a rabbit runs it's scent is dispersed in a pattern not just one little line on the ground.
A dog that has to run on the exact line a rabbit ran is running the rabbits foot scent, and not body scent.
When I got Fife Creek Rowdy to Maryland, I took him to run stinking Marsh rabbits.
I watched him run several feet off the line and was burning it up for an old dog, just depends how well they can smell it.
I have bred and owned several dogs that could do it and these dogs save several chases!
If a dog produces 7 or 8 times out of 10, that is fine with me.

Hey Casey what ever happened to Moe, I don't hear you speak about him at all any more?

[Newt]

It eventually all boils down to personal preference, and if your really that disturbed with what someone else is running, then stop running dogs with them.
Mybeagles

I loaned him a good bitch to breed and then hunt with. Tickled him to no end. Now he knows the difference.

I had another friend who had a bitch that drove me nuts. He said that he could only keep five dogs so I gave him a six month old pup that was started an excellent prospect. To my disappointment he made room for the extra dog and kept "Lacy".

[pilotknob]

From my exp.mouth and being able to use it right has more to do with brains than nose.If they are gona stay here if they are not making forward progress on a line with a rabbit at the other end they better keep their yaps shut.

[Casey Harner]

Moe is still alive and kickin. Running him with young pups. Still my pride and joy.



mdbeagler I think my two month old just lacks experience right now. I know he has a good nose... Seen him run a rabbit down a paved road and straight up gravel roads in 90 degree heat. I like the sheer fact that is he isn't mouthy in the check, shuts his mouth when he over runs the line and doesn't open up until the rabbit is up.