Branko Hounds

[augerhead]

Boy oh boy I didn't see any thing that pup did that wasn't impressive. Love the foward progress,the drive and hustle.I don't care what blood line thats the kind I like. Is he for sale? If a dog can push a track like that is it wrong, should he slow down to make sure he gets every inch of that line or should he roll on with the intent to catch? That so called Branko style is what this hillbilly is looking for!

[Newt]

Boy oh boy I didn't see any thing that pup did that wasn't impressive. Love the foward progress,the drive and hustle.I don't care what blood line thats the kind I like. Is he for sale? If a dog can push a track like that is it wrong, should he slow down to make sure he gets every inch of that line or should he roll on with the intent to catch? That so called Branko style is what this hillbilly is looking for!

"That so called Branko style is what this hillbilly is looking for! "

So in your experience in watching "Branko dogs", in your opinion, that pup is demonstrating a Branko Style" when running a rabbit? I believe that was the question that GW was asking and that he gave no opinion as to the merits of that style of running.

[Tundra Beagle]

Pedigree looks like dilutted Branko. Branko dogs IMO are bred by Branko.

[FORDWRENCH]

you guys responded to a loaded question... sounds as if the op has a different idea of what he considers good in a beagle. to each his own! run and feed what you like !

[bucks better beagles]

Ford: I don't think I see anything loaded in the question. I don't think there is a "branko style' just a simple "style" that one likes. I like them to move a rabbit with grace, speed and desire. Many dogs do this without regard to pedigree or lack of same.

[FORDWRENCH]

Bucks, It sounded like he was picking on the running style of the said hound and the reputation amongest guys that run akc spo "not Midwest" but the slower line control style. Searched his posts and its what he runs.. also truth be told brankos hounds and hounds crossed by other individuals change alot from generation to generation. Even dogs of the same litter.. stereotyping the line?

[bucks better beagles]

Ford: I agree. My desire lies somewhere between the slower line control dogs and the midwest hounds. I like them fast but I also like them to maintain control of the line as much as possible. I guess the best way to describe it is ..."run 100% of the rabbit, 100% of the time and be as fast as possible and as slow as necessary". I insist on a competitive hound as, I think, most of us do. That thin line that we are trying to describe here can be mighty thin indeed.

[FORDWRENCH]

You are very right. A long time ago I ran that style of hound. Even finished a dog in that format. It's got its drawbacks and its merits. I started running a faster style hound for the excitement of the chase and individual performance of my own hounds in the trials. There is no right and wrong here. It boils down to what you like to run . and if your line suits you only, then so be it.

[deerhost]

Bucks Better Beagles wrote,

Ford: I agree. My desire lies somewhere between the slower line control dogs and the midwest hounds. I like them fast but I also like them to maintain control of the line as much as possible. I guess the best way to describe it is ..."run 100% of the rabbit, 100% of the time and be as fast as possible and as slow as necessary". I insist on a competitive hound as, I think, most of us do. That thin line that we are trying to describe here can be mighty thin indeed.

Amen to that!!!
I describe it as middle of the road. But not medium speed, Some where bettween medium and fast. I don't like dogs walking the line giving 10 barks on each track but yet midwest or LP is a little much for me. I like them quick but stay on the line and run 100% of it or at least most of it. It's getting harder to find dogs like that. Most people Like them either slow and ultra conservative or utra fast and kinda hurding the rabbit. I've been breeding my own the last few years trying for that combination of nose, good foot but with control............DH

[gwyoung]

FORDWRENCH, No loaded question. I have a friend who offered me two Branko pups, he has nine and can't keep all of them. I have never seen his hounds run as he lives too far away. But he will give me two of them if I go pick them up. Just trying to make an informed decision. Thanks, for the help!

[gwyoung]

FORDWRENCH, I apparently overlooked one of your posts where you were obviously looking for answers. If you will look at my prior post you will see my reason for asking the question. As far as answers to your questions and remarks. Here goes, it appears that you think sterotyping a line is a bad thing, you need to put a little more thought into this. If a line or a strain cannot be sterotyped then it is a poor line with no set traits. Let me give you what should be a familiar example. If I saw a well built, 13" hound, with good conformation, good hunt, good line control, good close check work, not too long for it's height,and barked only when it had a rabbit trail I may ask the guy who owned him if he had a Kalagha Bred Hound. Am I sterotyping Kalagha Hounds, yes I am. Sterotyping ,is a good thing. You are apparently only familiar with the word as it is commonly used today in relation to people. It means the same thing when it is applied to humans, but somehow it is no longer politically correct, I was not trying to be politically correct, I was trying to get some information from folks that I knew were more knowledgeable on a certain subject than I am, without trying to make it into something that it is not. ( This leaves you out) Also, you mentioned that I was picking on the reputation of some hounds and also some people. I would like for you to explain exactly how I was doing that, or simply apoligize and try to put a little more thought into your comments.

[Casey Harner]

Ford: I agree. My desire lies somewhere between the slower line control dogs and the midwest hounds. I like them fast but I also like them to maintain control of the line as much as possible. I guess the best way to describe it is ..."run 100% of the rabbit, 100% of the time and be as fast as possible and as slow as necessary". I insist on a competitive hound as, I think, most of us do. That thin line that we are trying to describe here can be mighty thin indeed.

I agree 100% with that post!

[FORDWRENCH]

Gw, I understand more than u think.. I finished akc fc in the lines you talk about trust me I do know... It it common for guys that run peanut rollers to demerit any line the doesnt run like a a flat creek or Harvey or kaliga style hound. The reason you dont see branko hounds in the format you like is because they are too rough in the judges eyes. Been to many of those trials watching guys with tally Ho sticks beat the brush only to grade a dog on line control. Guys commonly get mad when there isn't a rabbit handy for their dogs to run. Clicks at the clubs and running only under judges that like you or your hound. Been there before.. nowadays We run for individual accomplishment over style and do everthing as fast as you can. Not sure if the espo board is still up but you might ask your question there..

[gwyoung]

FORDWRENCH, You continue to assume things not in evidence. You must be one intelligent individual. I do not trial and therefore do not have a favorite format, you need to work on your comprehension. You researched my posts and you know I run kalagha and Mr. Bill hounds and you call them peanut rollers, They will run a 6 to a 6.5 on speed as most on here know. So, it is your opinion that anyone who runs a 6.5 on speed is running a peanut roller, thats your opinion and that is alright with me. I really don't think you understand very much now that you asked. I don't know what a talley ho stick is and I have run this line for quite some time, so that is something else you don't understand. How about educating me and posting a picture of one. Would I be correct and assume by your comments that the clique at the clubs and the judges not liking you caused your dogs to not get what they deserved, heard that before. My question was about Branko Hounds and you think the ESPO board would be the best place to ask it, Something else you don't know much about! And how about my question to you about how I was running down the style of a certain line of dogs or the reputation of some people as you have stated, You want to try and answer how I was doing that, all of my posts are here for anyone to see. By calling certain dogs peanut rollers aren't you the one who is running down a certain line of dogs and not me, Kinda got the pot calling the kettle black there don't we? I can certainly understand why perhaps you think the judges did not like you, you were probably attributing things to them that they did not say the same as you are doing to me. What was the name of the field champion you finished and what was it out of, were you the owner/breeder.

[Newt]

We run for individual accomplishment over style and do everthing as fast as you can. Not sure if the espo board is still up but you might ask your question there..

That statement makes no sense. Did you even read his original question? Why would GW ask about Branko hound characteristics on the ESPO Board when you stated they run peanut rollers. :scratch head: