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[Dale L.]

I guess I am just a poor country boy but I have owned some pretty good dogs and seen some dandy's as well. I would not turn down $1,000 dollars for a dog period. But like I said I am just a poor man with a wife and three kids. I have always wondered what made a dog worth a certain amount. I have learned it is all perception and how much money the buyer and sellers have. I have sold dogs for $250 that were better than dogs I have seen run that were advertised for $600. The most I have ever asked for a dog is $300. Now I know some dogs are worth more than that. I have a male now that I love but I honestly couldn't sell him for more than $700 and feel good about it.

[Ohiohntr]

$10k to me might be the same as $100 to someone with cash....it is all perspective. I don't know one person who has ever said they made money at field trialing beagles. It is all about what that hounds ability is worth to the seller and buyer. I watched a guy yesterday lay down $9500 cash on completely junk forklift batteries and I am not sure what he is going to do with them. Doesn't matter, I put a price on them and he paid it with a wad of hundreds on the spot...we were both happy.

Some people don't understand guys driving around in $50k pickup trucks when a $2k Honda will get you to the same place and use less fuel. It is all about what you WANT and what you can AFFORD. There will always be "cheap" beagles around for the working man to buy, same as there will always be cheap cars and trucks around....but if you can afford to have a something nice that you don't have to worry about, then why wouldn't you. Sure would take away a lot of my headaches to buy finished hounds and not have to mess with the whole training process.

As I have told people in the past...."Some say money can't buy happiness....I say, have you ever seen an unhappy person on a jet ski?"

I was also standing in an RV lot and a fella was looking at a 1/2 mil dollar motor coach....the prospective buyer asked "what kind of fuel mileage does this thing get". The salesman said, "Sir, if you are asking that question then you probably can't afford it". The reality of this is that the guy was salesman was right.....

[likeemfast]

Upstateny, don't think anyone is bashing the guy, question is about a 14k dollar female and how much would average pup go for. To me seems high priced, probably cuz I don't have it and if I did I wouldn't spend it on a dog that I would b afraid to take to the woods. If I did buy a dog for that price I would b afraid to put it in a trail and have a $300 dollar dog kick its butt. Or run across a guy with a grade dog that out did everything my 14k dog did and have them say "how much u pay for her"??? That's just me tho. If and when he gets it great for him.

[dog]

The way i see it is like this , first off i drive a $1500 truck and run $200 dogs or less but ,when it comes to quallity , there is a huge , noticable difference between a $50k truck and a $1000 honda and when i drive a $50k truck i cant tell the difference , there is very little difference between a good dog and a great dog , they are dogs that are running a rabbit , it can only be done so well ,when i watch dogs run i have seen dogs that were better than others but NONE that were $14k better ,ever ! there may be a big difference between a bad dog and a good dog but very little between good and great , someone else ask will that $14000 dog add more than a $1000 dog , sorry nobody will ever convince me it could , i think $1000 is way too much but to each there own , if your spending $14000 for a rabbit dog you are doing it for no other reason than to show off and try too impress somebody , just want to brag about how much they paid and i would be willing to bet that how much they paid is the first thing out of their mouths , you see these types in everything you do , kinda the same as when your watching a dog backtract and the only thing the owner can talk about is what the dog is out of or who his grand parents are in a desperate attempt to convince someone that their dog is better than it is , i would be more willing to bet $14000 that you could throw that dog in a pack of 10 good dogs and pick any judge in any format and they couldnt tell which one cost that much before i would pay that for a dog, why because there is such a fine line between good and great ! i agree with the other post , i feel a rabbit dog is only worth so much , i like every dog i have but in my eyes there aint none of them worth any more than about $300 , that dont mean i would sell them for that , i like them so their not for sale but they are still just rabbit dogs , thats it . i hear alot of people say that if their offered enough they would sell any dog they have and i understand that completely because their just dogs but im the oposite , if someone tries to buy something of mine that is not for sale and they keep upping the offer it just ticks me off , the higher they go the less chance they have of getting it , i guess i just want to prove too them that money might rule the world but it means very little to me , ive never been bought and never will !

[Dale L.]

I agree with dog on this. When I used to coonhunt I would here people say they turned down as much as $15,000 for a dog. To me that is some mixed up priorities. Maybe it is just because I have never had much. But if I ever get offered anything like that for a dog it is gone. $1000 would buy any dog I have ever owned or ran with.

[dog]

Dale , i understand what your saying , but when someone ask to buy something of mine that is not for sale and they keep upping the offer i take it as an insult , them saying they have more than me and if they want it they will get it , sorry dont work with me , they would have a chance if they offered me a fair price and just stayed persistant at that price , when they think they can buy me it just ticks me off , ive never had much all my life and im used too it that way , money just dont mean much to me , never has !

[KanesIrish]

$14,000 isn't the most I've heard of a dog selling for. FC Pleasant Valley McBob was sold to Japan for over $20,000, he was out of IFC Adirondack Bobby and FC Smokey Macrae. About 12 years later Gene O'Shea sold a male of similar breeding, FC Gene O's Digger Reagan (FC Gene O's Boomerang Regan x FC Gene' O's Dr. Sally R) to the same group of guys for $22,000. I know some of you are crying bull sh*t right now, but Fulcount would probably be able to verify that for me. Gene carried around copies of the checks with him for a couple years to shut up the nay sayers. In the early eighties a lot of good dogs were sold over to the land of rising sun for good money to help them improve the breed over there, at the same time hurting it over here.

As far as the dog in question. I got to see her once as a fill in judge at Easthampton Beagle Club last year when she was looking for points to finish. She made it into winners pack and then didn't make it too far after that. She finished shortly there after, to her credit we were running tight running white hare on bare ground and she was coming off of snow. I know that she was bred to FC Adirdondack Mountain Tiki shortly there after that trial, because her owner owned the sire of Tiki, Bobby and Nikki. If I was going to buy this bitch I would want to see those pups run before I even watched her run.

The male she is bred to is a pretty nice dog. At least he was the two times I got a chance to see him run, I liked him, so he might be a little walkie talkyish. He is close to the line and hard driving, but he knows where the end is and knows where the check is. That said Rockette runs very similiar, maybe a little looser, but I expained the circumstances I saw her in last time.

If I was going to buy this dog, I would also want an ultrasound done so see what I was dealing with for pups. I know Ohiohntr said $300 a pup, but that said double I.F.C. bred pups on this site went for $750 (you'd have better chances of winning the lottery).

Personally if you going to start a kennel and you got some cash $14,000 isn't that high of a number. I would say $8000 would be a little bit more realistic. You could probably safely have three more litters out of her. Personally if I was looking to kick start my kennel I would buy 5 or 6 puppies out of different bloodlines that I WATCHED, start them and go from there.

I've also seen the other dog that has been mentioned in this post, the $14,000 dog is worth more then him just on running ability alone.

But if I had an extra $14,000 I would probably buy a new truck, put a down payment on a rabbit camp or my own running grounds, or maybe even put it towards my kids college education...but that's just me.

[Shady Grove Beagles]

A dog is worth whatever one man is willing to ask and another man is willing to give.

[KanesIrish]

I agree witht that Dana. But newbies with money increase the prices for the rest of us after that.

[Newt]

Even if I had the money to buy her, I would need a lot more to buy the land and build a six ft fence around it just to run her. One car, one coyote, or one thief and the dog would be gone.

[pineridgebeagles]

If this dog is that great why would he sell her.You couldnt buy my best dog in my kennel and i dont have anything worth 14k. Al

[PABeagler]

I would do alot of medical search on this dog and her ancestry? Didn't Viagra and his sire Mountain Man die at a relatively young age? What was the cause of death for these two dogs?

[likeemfast]

the 2 dogs that went to japan were males correct? If Reggie cost between 200 and 300 to breed to, take the average number of 250, hes probably been bred to over 300 times by now, thats 75k. When Butkus was 1st sold to Ohio he was probably bred to between 20 and 40 times in short time he was owned cause he was a hot ticket. So take 20 x 300 and thats 6,000.(all hypothetical thinking here) Then he was sold to another guy who paid X amount and he is very happy with him and whatever price he paid and thats great. Money can be made back on breedings if people want to breed to him. A female tho for 14k is a high price tag. Kanes said 8K would be more realistic and that could be what owner is trying to get, price is 14k and make someone think they got a great deal that offered 8k. I dont think Derek Jeter is worth 14MILLION a year, or Peytin Manning worth 7MILLION or LINsanity worth 5MILLION a year or whatever they get, nor do i think a female beagle is worth 14k. With those guys tho theres instant monetary recuperation for marketing their brand, theres instant monetary recuperation on Reggie or Butkus, with a female, nope nope nope. Its been said many times THEIR WORTH WHAT SOMEONE IS WILLING TO PAY, .............. iguess so. I would still pay $150 for pick of the litter tho if one of u guys buy her.

[bill huttozac]

likeemfast ask "What makes a female worth 14k???"
IMO, the answer is; "Some fool with $14,000.00 disposable funds that is willing to spend it on a Beagle".
Same opinion for a $1,000.00 dog.

[dog]

likeemfast ask "What makes a female worth 14k???"
IMO, the answer is; "Some fool with $14,000.00 disposable funds that is willing to spend it on a Beagle".
Same opinion for a $1,000.00 dog.