How's The New Measuring System Goin In Lil Pack

[SUNRISE10]

JCM if you were Breed Inspector and measured a 16'' hound would you let it hunt...

Frank talked like he was proud that PKC let oversized hound run..

I am begining to understand why NKC made their rules...

[wvrabbithunter26836]

JCM,,,,MY RAMBLINGS are telling the truth,,,,i guess im not on FRANKS level....but that is not a bad thing either.... i know a lot of good people in little pack that has been doing this for over 20 + years...


Ps...i found the caps lock button,,, thanks for the hElP

[JCM]

JCM if you were Breed Inspector and measured a 16'' hound would you let it hunt...

Frank talked like he was proud that PKC let oversized hound run..

I am begining to understand why NKC made their rules...

No, if I measured a dog out, I would not let it in the hunt.

Sometimes Frank gets keyboard diarrhea. What can I say though, it happens to me too.

I just hate to see someone support a guy that shows up at hunts and just causes problems. Running a hunt is hard work and it doesn't matter what format you run, you don't need someone showing up that ruins the day for everyone. And usually it is a guy that doesn't do one thing to help. You know the one--you sent me to a place with no rabbits, the judge is a crook, the calcutta was done wrong, you didn't measure right, and on and on and on.

Maybe I have been doing this too long, but I believe if you can't show up and have fun no matter how your day goes, you should just stay home. When you come to my club, I hope you have good running, and fair judging, but most of all, I hope you have a good time.

[toldyouso]

First let me start this post with some corrections LLOYD did not call the dog out because he did not have a dog entered he was just the ballest little man who had someone else do his dirty work. Second it was not his grandson it was his buddies boy and I did not put this young man in the position he was put there by hisfather and Mr Grey. Third the man who measured the dog DID NOT KNOW HOW BIG THE DOG WAS OR HE WOULD NOT HAD to measurer the dog. And forth I was not saying anything about its ok to run oversized dogs but ha people like you Mr wvrabbithunter must be a mind reader we all have r specialized abilities in life and this one is yours. fifth the dog must not had been over because the dog measured IN. Now for sunrise beagles, rules r a great thing this is what brings structure to r society. But when rules r used only when they benifit certain people and then r ignored for other people r they really rules. And i do not know who either of you r because of the little codewords that r used for this sight but i well say this you never hav to worry about me having someone else do my dirty work if i have something to say I will sy it and i have never ever cheated anybody in this sport and i will never kiss any butt and if you sir r glad that i am gone fom little pack this is fine by me because i have tryed to live my whole life by avoiding two faced talking out the sides of your mouth people like u two gentlemen my whole life. I will give PKC 100 percent just like I did Little pack they r just like you cant handle the truth. But thats ok i understand people like u this is what fuels u and thats ok.

[wvrabbithunter26836]

I FEEL SO MUCH BETTER NOW.....THANK YOU FOR TELLING THE WHOLE STORY ....BUT, I ALREADY KNEW THAT ,,,,,,ME BEING A MIND READER....FOR SOMBODY THAT TELLS IT LIKE IT IS,,,,YOUR SURE HAD THIS STORY ALL F***k UP....

[hinklehollowbeagles]

i would like to know how they r two faced an talking out the side of their mouth they just told u stright up what they thought

[blitzen4]

Wow , 10 pages on measuring dogs at hunts. I wished that the size of a dog at a hunt mattered to me as much as it does to some of you but life has just not been that easy for me as of late . We buried a 19 year old sportsman yesterday the lord called him home after a 6 month battle with cancer 12 months before that the lord called another friend of ours home from a battle with cancer. I just got out of the hospital after having 2 spinal surgerys in 8 days. I wished that all I had to do was to whine about the size of dogs at hunts, because if thats all that bothered me I have to say that I was pretty blessed. To tell the truth despite all that has transpired in my life over the last 12 months i know I am blessed and thank the lord for all he has done for me.


Maybe I have been doing this too long, but I believe if you can't show up and have fun no matter how your day goes, you should just stay home. When you come to my club, I hope you have good running, and fair judging, but most of all, I hope you have a good time.

JCM Posts: 515Joined: Thu Nov 24, 2005 5:38 pm

What more can you say, if you're not having fun stay home there are certainly worse things going on in the world than someone wanting to fellowship with other beaglers and run their hounds in the wild. Oh I should also say that I hate to lose but as long as we had rabbits to run and fair judging, I'm a happy camper and greatful for those that can and do put in their free time to organize run these fun hunts.

Dave

[One Tough Dallas]

Why do people spend so much time worrying about the height of a beagle???? If your dog truely has skill then it will show regardless of height. This measuring is a bunch of crap. Yes there are dogs that are over, but is 1/4 of an inch really gonna make that much of a difference? The answer is not really. Little Pack is ane excellent format and i love running my dogs in it, but if they are not careful they are gonna run alot of people off.

[couch potato jim]

I just want to start by saying I love Little pack, Every hunt and club that i go to i have a awesome time. I am really on board with the measuring of hounds "it just makes common since" to have this rule. I have been running little pack for 4 years now and have been doing this just with one hound. I have been really working hard to get my hound to be a champion in this format. My hound has won honestly in every hunt, some of her wins have come from big hunts for example 50 to 75 hounds in a given hunt. That to me says something about your hound don't you all agree? I also run my hound in AKC, UKC as well and she has been successful in these formats as well. I have entered my female in about " giving a rough estimate" over 150 hunts knowing my hound is a solid 14 7/8 inch high she has never had any problem measuring in. Since this measuring of hounds in ARHA little pack has been put into play i have notice so many times the inconsistency of measuring of a hound it is totally unacceptable. For example I have seen hounds that I no will go 13 inches measure 14 3/4 and a hound that is 14 inches will measure 15 1/2. This is just unacceptable to me and I no of so many others feel the same way. This needs to be fixed now because if this continues to go on I am for sure ARHA Little pack will loss it's Integrity, also the way i am feeling right now INTEREST! I'm not taking my frustrations out on the clubs or its people that are running them. Like i said earlier i have put so much time,work,money into champion my hound to have it striped from me for someones incompetence its just not right. I no people that are chosen to measure hounds are just trying to do what is right and I have no issues with that but! The person that is measuring hounds should know what they are doing. having these inconsistent measurements are just bad for the sport the clubs and most of all ARHA. I have made a decision to try and champion my hound out "if I can still do so" after being measured out, until ARHA comes up with a more consistant way to measure a hound correctly I will no longer be apart of ARHA. I understand this action of a hound measuring out goes to ARHA I was just wondering if I can still run my hound? What happens now anyone no?

[mtnwaykennel]

Y'all sound like a bunch of school kids who just got told the could not smoke on the grounds anymore. Hunts are fun.. so have fun. Own a big dog.. take your chance or leave it at home. Reaaalllllll simple.

Bill Woods

[couch potato jim]

Y'all sound like a bunch of school kids who just got told the could not smoke on the grounds anymore. Hunts are fun.. so have fun. Own a big dog.. take your chance or leave it at home. Reaaalllllll simple.

Bill Woods

I guess Bill You are not understanding my issues in my post. Hunts are fun, just because you have a big hound that IS 13, 14, 15 Inches, should not have a problem getting to run in a hunt. to sum it up for you my issues i have is the inconsistent measuring of any sized hound.. If you get on here calling people school kids just because we as beaglers see that something is broken with out trying to be the better person with some positive feed back will that puts you in a class all by yourself. I'm just sayin Real simple.

[mtnwaykennel]

Well..... I do see your point but if your hound is that close then realize you are going to draw the short straw now and then. And yes that exact post is the reason why I said that you sound like a kid. If your hound is to big.. enjoy running him at home... where there are no rules that says ya can not. Good grief.

Bill Woods

[couch potato jim]

Well..... I do see your point but if your hound is that close then realize you are going to draw the short straw now and then. And yes that exact post is the reason why I said that you sound like a kid. If your hound is to big.. enjoy running him at home... where there are no rules that says ya can not. Good grief.

Bill Woods

Will Bill Just for the record my hound is not to big to run in little pack. If you think i sound like a kid will that is your opinion but if someones hound is 13 inch it should be measured 13 not 14 or 15 or 18 if you don't no how to read a measuring stick you should learn how before measuring a hound. That's all Bill Now can anyone tell me what ARHA will do about this? What is the action taken for a hound measuring out? Just asking. This is not right for someone to go trough this because someone can't measure a hound right or read a measuring stick. I'm sorry but if you are going to do this job you need to no what you are doing

[mtnwaykennel]

I still feel like I have always felt. They need a standardized system. Without it you can not take action against any hound that measures out. So yes I agree that there is a problem with people who run big dogs and people who measure hounds different.

Bill Woods

[tdog]

I thought I would post an example of a way they measure some show dogs maybe this will help. Look at the link which shows the bone structure of the dog and where the withers are. Maybe Arha will adopt a pic similar to this which I believe is more clear than their example. In my opinon the example ARHA shows is measuring part way up the neck. If they measure all the dogs in ARHA like this they will eliminate 30% of the dogs or more. I may go to the World Hunt this year just to see how this goes..

How to Measure Your Dog
Or
My Dog Is Bigger Than Your Dog!
All recognized breeds of dogs have official Standards - a word picture of the ideal dog of that breed. A Standard includes such things as acceptable colors, structure and size. The Great Pyrenees has one of the largest ranges of acceptable heights - from 25 to 29 inches for females, from 27 to 32 inches for males. These ranges were originally set by measuring the available dogs when the Standard was first written in France and, except for small errors caused by metric translation, have remained the same ever since.
How does one accurately measure a dog? The height in all cases is taken with the dog standing on a level surface, his front feet directly under him, his hind feet in the accepted show stack position for the breed. If a dog is measured officially at a show, a U-shaped wicket is used. Both legs of the wicket are placed flat on the ground, and a moveable bar is adjusted to fit firmly on top of the withers. (See illustration below.)

http://www.sonic.net/~cdlcruz/GPCC/library/measure.htm




The vertical line below the arrow illustrates the line dropped from the point of shoulder to the floor that gives the true height of the dog.

How to you measure your dog if you don’t have a wicket? (Official wickets cost several hundred dollars.) Well, it’s a little like measuring your kids as they grow, but in the case of dogs, it pays to be a bit more accurate. You’ll need a level surface adjoining a blank wall, a carpenter’s level, a pencil and a metal measuring tape or a yardstick. You also need a helper unless your dog is perfectly trained to hold a stand-stay. Have your helper position the dog so it is in the above position, with the dog's head level. Place the carpenter’s level across the withers, letting it rest on the bone, one end at the wall. Move the ends of the level until the bubble is exactly in the center of the level indicator, then use your pencil to mark the wall underneath the level where it touches the wall. Move your dog away from the wall and measure the distance from the mark to the floor. If you have been careful - and honest - you now have an accurate measurement of your dog’s height. Other methods, such as running a tape measure from the shoulder to the floor, or measuring without the use of a level, give rise to some of the bizarre claims for giant Pyrs.

- Catherine de la Cruz