What is wrong with people?

[Joeyman]

It is a good discussion bunnyblaster and I'm not offened by anyone's comments on here. I thought that maybe this might help someone someday and maybe I might learn something from it too.

[Bunnyblaster]

Learning is not always fun but yea we should all do it from time to time.

[Casey Harner]

so we are rabbit hunting this morning. we see a group of 4 rabbit hunters just walking in a line stomping grass. they were a good ways away. no problems with that. they had there little spot we had ours. so our dogs get a rabbit up. a good chase. he took the dogs for a good ways around and around. we kept trying to get in a good spot to catch him crossing but with little to no luck he'd slip passed us. Meanwhile those 4 idiots apparently started to head our way once they heard the pack going. I saw 3 of them waiting in a cut path. I thought hmmm ok maybe they want to watch the action. Two were younger hunters maybe 10yrs old each. they both had guns in there hands. One adult with them. Ok i can't watch the cut path cause they are there. So inside the thick woods i went to maybe catch the rabbit coming back. I waiting. Nothing. Dogs kept going. Then all the sudden. Ka-Pow! I head for that cut path. This time I'm closer to the young kids and the one adult. I asked Who shot? They pointed up the hill. I headed towards that hill and find a idiot standing there with all ours dogs around him. I let him have it. I chewed him a new one so bad he had no idea what to do. what in the world was he thinking to shoot at a rabbit my dogs were chasing and why in the world did they come all the way to us and feel the need to shoot the rabbit our dogs were chasing? I hope he learned his lesson and never ever thinks about doing that again. I have no idea who they were. They had no right shooting that rabbit. They had no idea who was standing around that area. one of us could of been near by. They could of shot one of our dogs? anything could of happened. I told them they need to learn how to hunt and to never even think about doing that ever again. Thats what they are teaching there kids I guess. Stupid Once a year rabbit hunters is all they were.

what do you guys think. was I wrong to get mad at them? I feel that I did the right thing.

I do feel that Joey has a right to be upset, but with that being said I feel Joey could have prevented the other hunter for shooting all together. As it states in his story, Joey seen these four hunters approaching his way. Joey should have went to the hunters, to let them know they were there and that he had dogs and other hunters in different parts of the woods. From reading this, he didn't capitalize by going over to the group and talk to them. Sounds to me Joey was into killing that rabbit, because he even said "So inside the thick woods i went to maybe catch the rabbit coming back." I know for a fact, safety first always. So for Joey to rip him a new one isn't uncalled for, but also it was uncalled for Joey not to take action, when he saw the four hunters coming over to the area. Joey you could have gave out a whistle and asked them to come over, or meet them half way. Since you didn't and you didn't take any action, they seem to felt like you didn't care that they were there. They seen you go into the thickets, so the 4th hunter thought "ok we are welcomed" and took it himself to take a shot at the rabbit. The second party and Joey made mistakes and this is what happened.

Joey next time this happens, which it will go to the other party and discuss whats going on, whose where, then go from there. I feel this could have been prevented all together if there was communication on your part and theirs....

[10ACbeagles]

Since we are all telling tales heres mine. About 8 years ago i was by myself on a farm that i had permission too hunt i had 6 dogs and a unlimted time frame after about 3 miles of hunting from the truck i decided to take a break, i was probaly a two limit into it and man they were getting heavy. Take for granted for years rules of kentucky game wardens meant little to me i never wore any and i mean any orange, mostly cuz i hunted were few would tread much less want the law to draw any unwanted attn too...... But i was always safe thats how i was taught, dont shoot into briars or not knowing where all the dogs were or hunters.Anyways while i was resting and burning a fattie i heard a dog hit probaly a few hundred yards off , so i ashed it out put back on my new game vest with several rabbits.Which by the way i had cut all the orange off of, and precided to ck out my next kill.By the time i arrived it was over a nice woven wire fence and the race was on, HMMMMM I aint exactly suppose to be there thats outta bounds. After hoping ol roger rabbit would come thru the fence he did not. I crossed over kinda scared heard the ol boy was a real prick that hated the world. And btw was a pretty big hemp producer.
Well i carefully perched above big ol bull doze pile. Sure enuff here comes the rabbit right towards my ninja type skilled shooting. Bam end of story heeee heee guess i won. As i step down off the pile a stick breaks and i break my ankle i imittently puked oh my god that hurt like hell... Guess you all that are reading know the rest ,here comes 2 guys on a gator with a german shepard that acts like it has rabies and they both are packing.. Now with that being said finish the story and i want to know what you would have done.......There will be a lesson later just want You in this little Pickle.

they noticed you were high then told you when their crop would be in and told you if you wanted some killer you should come see them,you all 4(dog included so he would calm down) finished the one you put out and you now have access to hunt that land whenever you want?

[Ohiohntr]

Since we are all telling tales heres mine. About 8 years ago i was by myself on a farm that i had permission too hunt i had 6 dogs and a unlimted time frame after about 3 miles of hunting from the truck i decided to take a break, i was probaly a two limit into it and man they were getting heavy. Take for granted for years rules of kentucky game wardens meant little to me i never wore any and i mean any orange, mostly cuz i hunted were few would tread much less want the law to draw any unwanted attn too...... But i was always safe thats how i was taught, dont shoot into briars or not knowing where all the dogs were or hunters.Anyways while i was resting and burning a fattie i heard a dog hit probaly a few hundred yards off , so i ashed it out put back on my new game vest with several rabbits.Which by the way i had cut all the orange off of, and precided to ck out my next kill.By the time i arrived it was over a nice woven wire fence and the race was on, HMMMMM I aint exactly suppose to be there thats outta bounds. After hoping ol roger rabbit would come thru the fence he did not. I crossed over kinda scared heard the ol boy was a real prick that hated the world. And btw was a pretty big hemp producer.
Well i carefully perched above big ol bull doze pile. Sure enuff here comes the rabbit right towards my ninja type skilled shooting. Bam end of story heeee heee guess i won. As i step down off the pile a stick breaks and i break my ankle i imittently puked oh my god that hurt like hell... Guess you all that are reading know the rest ,here comes 2 guys on a gator with a german shepard that acts like it has rabies and they both are packing.. Now with that being said finish the story and i want to know what you would have done.......There will be a lesson later just want You in this little Pickle.

As they were ripping you a new one and threatening ya, you figured what the heck and fire up the remainder of the fattie to kill the pain...they in turn realized you weren't a bad fella and helped ya get on out of there. You end up being friends with them and still are to this day.....am I close?

[Bobby Vest]

Hounds cover a lot of territory when they get into some big running rabbits. I won't turn loose within sight of someone else hun ting and hope they give me the same respect.

[augerhead]

Are we we to assume that that the shooter new the rules or that he was trying to shoot a dog or a person?
I don't think he did, maybe he just got excited and made a poor decision. I don't think you were in the right by cussing at him and acting agressivly. You were probably lucky you didn't take a good whipping. I don't react well to being yelled at by a stranger, wither I'm right or wrong, respect goes both ways, practice what you preach.My advice to you and you asked, is proceed with caution when you confront a man you don't know not everybody would have reacted the way he did. Some one could have got hurt over a very minor issue. JMO

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

The rest of the story, Guy number 1 which was quite a bit bigger than me and guy 2 Which was bigger than both of us wanted to know what the fu%@ i was doing on there land and i explained what took place, they were not only not understanding but said i was trespassing and offered too kick my azz. I tried my best too explain i was very sorry and i meant very sorry. I was in so much pain all i wanted was from these 2 overgrown big thugs packing extremly large amounts of weapons. I have always been the thinker and once again explained my dilema. Thug life 1 took a pistol and pointed towards my hounds which also seen the german shepard was eyeing for supper so they to were wanting nothing else than to get the hell back over the fence. For some stupid reason once the guanlet was thrown at a dogs which can not read, i snapped and for some unknown reason i held up a shotgun which by the way was still holding 4 shells ......And told em both "I am sorry guys but you shoot my dogs i will kill you" , so all the sudden i am holding the aces , well sort of. Anyway they retreated with rin tin tin in tow and i was terribly happy and terribly releived. Have ya ever tried to cross a fence with a broken ankle and a vest full of hair. It aint easy my friends then walk and drag dogs for a few miles. After a few hours i finally make it back, the worst part, truck was a clutch. Ya know thats all part of it sorta like life.....Know which side of the fence to be on.

[warddog]

Since we are all telling tales heres mine. About 8 years ago i was by myself on a farm that i had permission too hunt i had 6 dogs and a unlimted time frame after about 3 miles of hunting from the truck i decided to take a break, i was probaly a two limit into it and man they were getting heavy. Take for granted for years rules of kentucky game wardens meant little to me i never wore any and i mean any orange, mostly cuz i hunted were few would tread much less want the law to draw any unwanted attn too...... But i was always safe thats how i was taught, dont shoot into briars or not knowing where all the dogs were or hunters.Anyways while i was resting and burning a fattie i heard a dog hit probaly a few hundred yards off , so i ashed it out put back on my new game vest with several rabbits.Which by the way i had cut all the orange off of, and precided to ck out my next kill.By the time i arrived it was over a nice woven wire fence and the race was on, HMMMMM I aint exactly suppose to be there thats outta bounds. After hoping ol roger rabbit would come thru the fence he did not. I crossed over kinda scared heard the ol boy was a real prick that hated the world. And btw was a pretty big hemp producer.
Well i carefully perched above big ol bull doze pile. Sure enuff here comes the rabbit right towards my ninja type skilled shooting. Bam end of story heeee heee guess i won. As i step down off the pile a stick breaks and i break my ankle i imittently puked oh my god that hurt like hell... Guess you all that are reading know the rest ,here comes 2 guys on a gator with a german shepard that acts like it has rabies and they both are packing.. Now with that being said finish the story and i want to know what you would have done.......There will be a lesson later just want You in this little Pickle.

Here's the lesson I took from jimbo's story. Laws is laws and breaking them may have you end up with a broken ankle, bent over backwards over a log in a brush pile, not able to move, while two big ole onry southern boy hemp producers with a rabid German Shepard are eyeing up your donkey while listening to the theme from DELIVERENCE on the gittobox on their shoulder! Of course you puked because just as you knew you had violated so many laws it was pitiful, you also crossed "that" fence where emotions serve as justice for your own actions that you alone were ultimately responsible for and you were also smart enough to know what was in store for you, in the END. The judge and jury were about to take turns in DELIVERENCE-ING their back woods verdict for the disrespect you showed them.

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Since we are all telling tales heres mine. About 8 years ago i was by myself on a farm that i had permission too hunt i had 6 dogs and a unlimted time frame after about 3 miles of hunting from the truck i decided to take a break, i was probaly a two limit into it and man they were getting heavy. Take for granted for years rules of kentucky game wardens meant little to me i never wore any and i mean any orange, mostly cuz i hunted were few would tread much less want the law to draw any unwanted attn too...... But i was always safe thats how i was taught, dont shoot into briars or not knowing where all the dogs were or hunters.Anyways while i was resting and burning a fattie i heard a dog hit probaly a few hundred yards off , so i ashed it out put back on my new game vest with several rabbits.Which by the way i had cut all the orange off of, and precided to ck out my next kill.By the time i arrived it was over a nice woven wire fence and the race was on, HMMMMM I aint exactly suppose to be there thats outta bounds. After hoping ol roger rabbit would come thru the fence he did not. I crossed over kinda scared heard the ol boy was a real prick that hated the world. And btw was a pretty big hemp producer.
Well i carefully perched above big ol bull doze pile. Sure enuff here comes the rabbit right towards my ninja type skilled shooting. Bam end of story heeee heee guess i won. As i step down off the pile a stick breaks and i break my ankle i imittently puked oh my god that hurt like hell... Guess you all that are reading know the rest ,here comes 2 guys on a gator with a german shepard that acts like it has rabies and they both are packing.. Now with that being said finish the story and i want to know what you would have done.......There will be a lesson later just want You in this little Pickle.

Here's the lesson I took from jimbo's story. Laws is laws and breaking them may have you end up with a broken ankle, bent over backwards over a log in a brush pile, not able to move while two big ole onry southern boy hemp producers with a rabid German Shepard are eyeing up your donkey listening to their Ipod playing the theme from DELIVERENCE! Of course you puked because just as you knew you were violating nearly every game law in the book you were ultimately responsible for your own actions you were also smart enough to know what was in store for you, in the END! : nod:

No Hotdog pinics took place at least my butt didnt hurt, but the rest ur right about i think.

[warddog]

I also think there's a moral to your story that goes something like this, people who slide down the wrong side of the fence through life end up with no hair, by crackie!

[gwyoung]

bunnyblaster, I did not say there have been hundreds of times I came across people doing the wrong thing, and then straightened them up, so to speak, as you say. I said there has been hundreds of times I have taken people who didn't know what to do and helped them. big difference. And as far as me saying there are people not readily sharing knowledge, or being willing to help, I think there is ample evidence of it on this thread so I won't have to respond.You say most people who do this kind of thing don't want help, How do you know, have you encountered a lot of this same thing, you haven't said so. Bottom line. The man made a mistake in my opinion. in your opinion he didn't. I wouldn't act that way and you apparently would. I am sure you're are convinced it is the right thing to do as much as I know that it isn't. We can leave it at that.

[gwyoung]

bunnyblaster, I just wanted to add one more thing about something you said that is right on, and I think everyone on this board can agree on. You said it is easier to help and to work with someone you know,etc: than someone you have had a confrontation with. truer words were never spoken. Then why don't we start the teaching instead of the confrontation?

[deerhost]

The rest of the story, Guy number 1 which was quite a bit bigger than me and guy 2 Which was bigger than both of us wanted to know what the fu%@ i was doing on there land and i explained what took place, they were not only not understanding but said i was trespassing and offered too kick my azz. I tried my best too explain i was very sorry and i meant very sorry. I was in so much pain all i wanted was from these 2 overgrown big thugs packing extremly large amounts of weapons. I have always been the thinker and once again explained my dilema. Thug life 1 took a pistol and pointed towards my hounds which also seen the german shepard was eyeing for supper so they to were wanting nothing else than to get the hell back over the fence. For some stupid reason once the guanlet was thrown at a dogs which can not read, i snapped and for some unknown reason i held up a shotgun which by the way was still holding 4 shells ......And told em both "I am sorry guys but you shoot my dogs i will kill you" , so all the sudden i am holding the aces , well sort of. Anyway they retreated with rin tin tin in tow and i was terribly happy and terribly releived. Have ya ever tried to cross a fence with a broken ankle and a vest full of hair. It aint easy my friends then walk and drag dogs for a few miles. After a few hours i finally make it back, the worst part, truck was a clutch. Ya know thats all part of it sorta like life.....Know which side of the fence to be on

Maple valley, I'm sitting here laughing so hard I'm almost crying.....LMAO!!!!!!!

[Bunnyblaster]

And as far as taking people like these, ( people who obviously don't understand the game and are probably new at it) along with me I have done exactly that hundreds of times without any incidents, unless you call smiles on people's faces, laughter, and fond memories incidents.

You are correct, I didn't pay enough attention to the part in parenthesis. I read it again and it makes much more sense with that clause in there.

And for someone who seems to have a number of years under their belt I would certainly expect you to be a whole lot less naive about running into people in the woods that would do something like that. I want you to honestly tell me you really truly absolutely believe in your heart that someone that would do that was just making an honest mistake. If you say so then I gotta believe you I suppose but in my intemperate youth I have a hard time believing they didn't know any better. And for the record if/when I ever do something that disrespectful and/or just plain dumb I fully expect to get yelled at.

And as far as for puffing out your chest with that last sentence hopefully it made you feel better. I guess as long as you always convince yourself that you are right then you don't ever have to be wrong...........to each his own I suppose. You are right about one part, we definitely see it differently but you are wrong about the other part because I think we are both right. Everyone handles situations different and I don't think your way makes you any more right or wrong than joey's way makes him. Some people don't spank their kids and if it works for them then great......I however do not fall into that category.



I have 2 more questions if anyone would be willing to honestly answer them.

1. If you were to run into the same exact situation what assumptions would you make about the people that did this? We've already heard how you would handle it but I want to hear who is going to actually say they would assume the majority of the time that these poor guys have lost their way and just don't know any better.

2. What would give you the right to go up and holler at someone if not something like this? Vulgar language aside should I be allowed to get upset if someone shoots one of my dogs? Shoots someone in my hunting party? Steals my dog?(Which was already mentioned) What exactly does it take for me to be allowed to get upset enough to give someone the "what for"?



The one point that I hadn't really thought of is the one that Casey brought up and it is a good one. If the guys weren't gonna come down and ask then Joey should have gone up to introduce himself and at that point the whole thing probably never would have happened. At least then they probably would have thought twice about shooting at the rabbit if they weren't invited to do so. I am like Joey and was just brought up to be more respectful of others than that. I don't expect some guy to just run on the court when I playing a game of basketball with my buddies either..........most guys are nice enough to ask first even if it is at the public ball court.