What is wrong with people?

[bucks better beagles]

Joeyman your question to the group was..."what do you guys think. was I wrong to get mad at them? I feel that I did the right thing."

I am simply trying to give you my answer and it is that you were wrong. Your friend says there were a lot of ""F words"" being thrown around. I think you overreacted to the situation. Yes, the other hunters violated the unwritten rules. You were not wrong in getting mad at them but, I feel, you did the wrong thing in your reaction to your anger.

[gwyoung]

joeyman, I believe You made a bad decision, which can very well be the result of the heat of the moment, I have said that and you seem to offer that as a reason. I think most can accept that as a reason, doesn't justify it, but I think a lot of us can understand it somewhat. There are other things about what you have said( and I am not the only once that notices them) that don't set well with folks . For instances calling two ten year olds idiots and stupid well after the heat of the moment has passed, and the apparent disdain you have for " stupid once a year rabbit hunters". this seems to imply that because they can't get afield very often they are beneath the real hunters like yourself, and should leave the real hunting to you. Telling other people to leave land that they have as much right as you to be on ,doesn't sit well with others either. Yelling and using the F word within earshot of these children will rile some on here as well. These are all things that you may want to clear up as well.

[Joeyman]

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[bluegrass]

bucks better beagles you wrote.......this couldn't have been that big a deal other than a personal affront to his ego.

so safety for myself My hunting party and all of our beagles is thrown out the window?

sorry but for my friends my brother that was there with me for the day and all of our dogs. they are NUMBER 1 to me and i will do everything to protect them. I for one will not stand for random people coming in on us as they did and shooting like they did putting everyone in harms way over a rabbit. People like that should not be allowed to hunt. If they wanted a rabbit that bad I would of given them one. That guy learned his leason.

[Joeyman]

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[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

If you were hunting on public land. You own nothing and everthing as far as your privacy is null and void. They paid there liscense as you have and can hunt where they please. If they were hunting on private land total different story.I have had this happen several times and just bit my tongue and moved on.

[bucks better beagles]

Casey: Did you mean to say "filling" or "feelings"?

[bucks better beagles]

Joey said: told them to leave the area where we were hunting. since we like to assume. I guess you would of just moved instead of them? even though you were there first?

Yes, I would have moved rather than make a confrontation. Being first is kid stuff. I would have tried to talk to them cordially first though. And as others have said, maybe tried to make a friend instead of an enemy by suggesting they tag along and get the youngsters a shot at a rabbit.

[Joeyman]

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[warddog]

It's funny how many on here started out like someone getting hurt or God forbid killed over a wild rabbit was something to scoff at but now we are getting many stories of this very situation escalating to such a point. I am absolutly no lawyer but spent 30 years as a federal officer enforcing the word of law as cited in the Code of Federal Regulations. That and the same .50 cents I alluded to in a previous post will possibly get me a cup of coffee now days but it certainly has enlightened me as to how the law works. I soon found out that my opinion was nothing more than another part of my body like everyone else has. In court cases the word of law is bound in precedent on how the written word has been interpreted which establishes a past practice and case law. This is why in court or in post hearing briefs the attorneys bolster their positions by citing case law just as the judge will do when they render their decision. One other thing that I learned from a legal standpoint is that if you don't have it in writting you DON'T have it.
In finding the facts of this case we must then hold ourselves to the same position as a law judge would do as they certainly will make their decision on the merits of the case and the evidence submitted because they were NOT there when it happened but they WILL render a decision regardless.
Facts of the case:
Wild game of any kind is not owned until killed;
Dogs and their owners in pursuit of wild game does NOT constitute ownership;
Wild game being pursued by dogs and or their owners is considered fair game;
The killer of wild game is entitled to and responsible for said game; ( the above three things are bound in Pierson vs. Post case law)

Two parties are legally hunting wild rabbits; ( both parties were on public property or property they had permission to hunt so neither was in violation of any law at the time of the incident)
The first party's dogs are in pursuit of a wild rabbit on the legal premises;
The second party moves towards the dogs in pursuit while hunting that same legal premises;
The rabbit being pursued by the first party is shot at but missed by a member of the second party;
A member of the first party who is the owner of the dogs pursuing the fair chase rabbit runs to the second party shooter;
The first party dog owner then assaults the second party shooter by bombarding him with violent, offensive, aggressive action and language;
Violent, offensive, aggressive action against one's person or property is a violation of law;
The hunting and trapping regulations clearly define harassment of hunters and trappers;

It is therefore concluded that the second party shooter was well within the scope of the law when taking a shot at the fair chase rabbit. As a result of his legally taking a shot at the fair chase game animal the first party accosted him without just cause. There are "unwritten rules" and ethical conduct principles followed by hunters and trappers BUT those are not bound by law and can not be considered in this instant case. It is the position that the second party shooter be held harmless and that the first party actually violated the law by accosting him and that the first party be held fully responsible for whatever damages occured as the result of their violation of law.

This is how I would have pursued this case in front of a judge.

[gwyoung]

joeyman, since you asked what I would have done. I would have introduced myself , called the rest of my party over and introduced them as well . Invited the folks who by your own admission don't get out very often to join us in some fun. I would have explained the game to them as we went along. I would have paired them up with my guys to lend a personal hand to everyone of them . If they declined I would have asked them where they intended to hunt and if it was right there then my party would have left after wishing them good luck. It's called sportsmanship, and the right thing to do.

[Fleetwood]

If you were hunting on public land. You own nothing and everthing as far as your privacy is null and void. They paid there liscense as you have and can hunt where they please. If they were hunting on private land total different story.I have had this happen several times and just bit my tongue and moved on.

Exactly. Like I said earlier, i have had an almost identical situation happen to me. I bit my tongue and moved on. Fellas, most of the time a beagle can whip a skunk, but most of the time it just ain't worth it. Call your dogs, load 'em up, go find another place to hunt. Life is too short to get worked up over someone else's ignorance/stupidity. I know that tempers can flare. I know that you feel like the other person needed a lesson in proper hunting etiquette, but trust me, in the long run, it's better to just bite your tongue and move on.

[Joeyman]

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[Joeyman]

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[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

My last take is this.Joey i beleive in between your hunt with joey you tubes and joeys a cooking rabbit show has led you to believe a "At any Cost" Attitude and they can go straight to hell i got videos to post for my fans. Nobody was hurt you got pissed and live goes on, Hunting should be fun Not a video Production. Enjoy and smoke a fattie then go hunting maybe it will be fun again. Always remember It aint how ya sweat the petty things its how ya pet the Sweaty Things.