SNARES ON PUBLIC GROUND !!!!!

[zjamesmoore]

Started out running at one of my favorite little hot spots on public hunting at about 5am this morning when I heard my 9 month old pup gaging of in the brush. I proceeded to tromp in there quite briskly only to find him being strangled in a cable snare. Then I began to sort of panic looking for all my dogs I marched down the fence line in which I found the sare only to find my 6 month old pup gaging and choking in another one. I collected all my dogs and walked down the fence line back torwards the truck only to spot 12 more of the vicous things ready and waiting, but from what Ive read today its pefectly legal to set snares and traps on public ground in Kansas.http://www.salina.com/news/story/carson ... ping-31209

[Househounds]

I thought my dog was caught in a snare but I found out it later it was what is called a cable restraint trap. A snare is intended to kill and a cable restaint holds the game animal until the trapper comes back to kill it. So if it was actually a snare you are lucky you got your dog out of it alive.

[barnold1]

I believe the rules and regulations booklet even gives you tips on how to rescue your dog/increase odds of survival...

[Budd]

If they are legally set then whats the gripe, public grounds don't mean just for hound hunters, I'm sure the last thing this guy wanted to do is catch your hounds. I've also had hounds caught in snares but they came out no worse for were. They were even one of my buddies snares LOL. Be glad it was a snare and not a 220 conibear.

[Househounds]

I think you guys may be mistaking a snare, meant to kill the target game quickly, with a cable restraint trap , which only holds them around the neck but does not choke them to death. The only deadly trap that is dangerous to dogs that I know of are the conibears. If your dogs gets in one of those its over. I would like to see these out lawed for this reason.

[allniter]

I have had dogs caught in snares ---I have had them caught conibears that are set on a wire frame up off the ground ---dogs are dead when you fine they don't make a sound --they also set them in buckets and bait in the back of bucket the dogs will put their head in every time to get some to eat --bottom line snares are bad --but nothing like conibears

[BCBeagles]

We had a young hound caught in a snare. She went nuts and it tightened down on her and we almost lost her before we got the cable release to let up. We now carry wire cutting dykes for that reason. Always in my vest, you never know..

[BOUTTIMEIV]

Househound,Im both a trapper and houndsman and if you start outlawing traps like you want you are just letting anti hunters ,peta get that much closer to what they want and that includes hunting with dogs so please dont knock what another outdoorsman is doing thats just the chance you take hunting publicland.I personally always carry wiresnips in my vest just in case and when trapping private land I actually mark my sets with ribbon and let the landowners know to inform any dog hunters where they are. JMO
Mark

[Househounds]

I dont want to out law traps. I want to outlaw traps on public land that intend to kill, because traps kill indiscriminantly. It makes trappers look bad when they kill someones pet or hunting dog. I would think that as a trapper you would not want that either. It gives them a bad name. Why use a conibear instead of a leg hold or a cable restraint?

[yoteslayer]

I have cut half a dozen snares, with dogs in them, in the last ten years running coyote hounds. Word to the wise, remove your coat and put it over the dogs head before trying to cut it, as the dog doesnt understand you are trying to help and may bite you. Running across alot of sections and roads you will find a few snares. Every single person that coyote hunts with us has a pair of cable cutters in there truck, I carry them on me at all times when hunting. You never know what you are gonna come across!!! A snare or cable restraint are basically the same thing. If a dog pulls a cable restraint hard enough it will restrict the airway and will kill them.

[bigjohn]

Every year I've been on this board,this topic comes up.When you run dogs on land that trappings allowed,private or public,you take a chance your dog will get caught.Trappers ,for the most part,try to make their sets pet proof as possible.Cable restraints will not kill an animal if set according to the law period.If they'd kill a dog,then they would kill the coyotes they're set for(and they don't)as a coyote will fight it more than any dog.Dogs will not let themselves choke down.Most snare sets won't even kill a dog used to being on a leash unless it tangles itself in brush or jumps a fence.Conibears on the other hand are not a forgiving trap and will kill a dog,but even these can be made pretty much dog proofed.Here ,in Mo. our conibears are restricted to underwater use on the big conibears due to some not caring where or how they used them.Hunters asking to handicap the trapper by limiting his choice of traps is sorta like someone saying a hound needs to have one leg tied up to run game.As more and more people are being made and the fact that land isn't,there will be more of these types of conflicts.A trapper has much right to pursue his sport on public land ,if legal,as hound hunters have.Being familar with different type trapshow to remove your dog if caught and what to look for would behoove anyone that runs dogs.Hunting and trapping grounds are getting harder to find as land use is changing and more people about.You better believe that if trapping were ever to be outlawed,hunting and fishing would be close behind.The trappers remove alot of animals that prey on rabbits and other game all year long,not just during a season,and trappers are a vitial management tool for keeping their numbers in check.I run dogs too,but I'm also a trapper.

[Househounds]

Big John,
Thanks for jumping in here. I remember you from before on this topic and I respect your input. You were the one that taught me the difference between cable restraint traps and snares. When my dog was in the cable restraint I was in fear for his safety but later found out he was realy in no serious danger. He froze, as he was use to being on a leash and a chain, and let me work at the release until I freed him from it.

However, I think your analogy of tying a dogs leg is a bit unfair. I would say forbiding the use of traps that kill indiscriminantly is more like not allowing hunters to have more then 3 rounds in a shot gun for ducks and other birds, or not being allowed to hunt with high powered rifles in highly populated areas. We have to deal with these and othere restriction on hunting. I understand that some states do have restrictions on conibears but I do not believe a trap meant to kill a dog sized animal can be dog proof.
I think a restriction on trapping should be that traps that kill should not be allowed on public land. Does that seem so unreasonable?

[barnold1]

Click on the Hunting Regs and check out page 30.

http://kdwpt.state.ks.us/news/Hunting/H ... egulations

[mybeagles]

A snare or cable restraint are basically the same thing. If a dog pulls a cable restraint hard enough it will restrict the airway and will kill them.

No they are not and NO it will not. A snare has a locking mechanism that locks down tight. A cable restraint loosens as soon as the animal quits jerking. The only way an animal will die in a cable restraint is if they climb over a branch/fence and hang themselves. I have caught 2 hounds in snares that were there overnight and neither one sustained any harm. Some roughed up hair was the extent of it.

I'm both a trapper and houndsman and would have to agree that #160 or larger conibears should not be used on dry land unless they are in barns or trees. I also would rather one of my beagles get caught in a cable restraint than a coyote foot hold. I have had a beagle come up lame for a couple weeks from a foot hold trap.

A good canine trapper is worth his weight in gold for a houndsmen. They can significantly reduce the numbers of fox, coyote, coon, oppossum, skunks etc that play havoc on rabbit populations.

While I understand the frustration being a houndsman and having to deal with deer hunters all fall and trappers part of the winter we need to realize it's public land and open for all. The trapper feels the same way about people stealing their traps and cutting their snares as you do about someone stealing or shooting your hounds. Everyone tends to think the world revolves around them.

Mybeagles

[Househounds]

I have caught 2 hounds in snares that were there overnight and neither one sustained any harm. Some roughed up hair was the extent of it.

don't you mean cable restraints

I am not against trapping. I am against using a trap that can kill my dog on public land. I am glad you make the effort to avoid doing this and hope all other trappers do this as well.

If in Kansas they restrict snares to only private land why not do the same for conibears that could kill dogs. That would make sense to me.

I hope I have made myself clear. I am not anti trapping, I just don't think I should have to to worry about my dog getting killed by someones legal trapping on public land.

Also, trappers we hunters have restriction that limit how we hunt but we are still here hunting and I do not see it coming to an end in my or my kids liftime. I do not think this type of restriction would helpl PETA end trapping and hunting and fishing. What gives them fuel is the killing of Fido and Morris to appeal there cause to the general public.

Now I am going to fight anti hunters by killing rabbits for the next 3 days.