Extra mouth in the Check ?

[rabbitsmoker]

Everybody feed what you like but ther are dogs that can run the crap out of a bunny that does not babble thats my kind if ther barking they better be smelling the rabbit if im gona to feed them They dont have to babble to run in any condition i knw i owwn 4 and have owned many in the past good nose has to come with a good brain to knw when they can move the rabbit without boo woo around Run what you can tolerate im one that has O tolerance for a dog barking off when ther is no sence in it thats why i dont field trial i think if a dog barks off 3 times he rda be put in the box JMO

[bucks better beagles]

Bluemous: agree one hundred percent. For the sake of brevity, I omitted what I thought was basic care for any dog. I would never mistreat one of my dogs. Of course, breeding selection is also a quality of a houndsman. It take many years to and a lot of failures to get to the point where you can see the positive and negatives in a breed or individual dog. You and I are right on.

I did not intend to say that I am the only houndsman around. There are many, of which I could name the ones I respect and figure they are much more than myself. My point was once again, of semantics and how I look at certain word usage.

[10ACbeagles]

I don't think going to field trials means you know what a good dog is maybe Im wrong but a field trial dont tell me anything except what you see that day and that days conditions. It can give you a pretty good idea but if you base what you know off of what you see at trials thats not sayin much cause I see more complaining about them than anything.
I'm not saying trials are pointless but I dont think you have to be a trialer to be a houndsman.Being a houndsman isn't something they give out at the trials.Its something inside your heart and mind.Trials IMO are for the owners,cause the dogs darn sure dont care about a ribbon or trophy they just wanna run!..I know of a old timer whose been beagling close to 60 years(fox hunted 20+years before that)been around dogs his whole entire life,from him,his dad,his grandad and out of all those years hes been to 2 field trials,not him or his dogs got screwed either time, infact they did well he just said field trials werent for him,so does that mean all those 60 years of owning dogs is pointless cause he didnt see the "flavor of the month" run in a few trials? NO!
I call him for any and all advice I need and get my answer and then some!I can agree to a point about a mouthy dog who just CANNOT keep the line moving being useless.If its disstracting it has to go,but give me a pack of dogs who can work together and work off each other and I'm good.Ive seen a mouthy dog run when others couldnt and Ive also seen them ruin a perfectly good hunt.Some people go out and buy a ready made FC(that they put no effort into helping get that title...)and think they know what a good dog is,some buy pups off multiple FC's and think their going to get a future FC w/out putting the work in.Some people get a FC or 2 and all of a sudden their an authority figure.To much controversy surrounds trials and who wins,Take it to the field with the guns see who comes out on top consistently not just that specific weekend with the judges you hang out with before and after the trials.

[augerhead]

Don't you think us houndsmen make excuses( maybe not intentionally) for our dogs,babbling well he has a good nose if it was really cold or dry he would be the only dog running. lack of hunt- weeds are up too hot hunts alot better by his self- poor performance - not run up needs solo time it goes on and on . The truth is all dogs have faults, doesnt make you less of a houndsmen because you can tolerate faults that another houndsmen cant. But they are still FAULTS. I know a man who could have the best rabbit dog in the world but if it growls (not fight just a small growl) he will not keep it. what Im trying to say is if you like a loose barking dog thats ok doesnt mean your stupid or less of a houndsmen , but it is a fault. And if you have never owned a dog with a GOOD nose that isnt foolish, well I guess Ive just been lucky Ive owned a few. Lets not get wound up if somebody dosent like the style of dogs you do thats what makes breeding and trading work. So run the mouthy dogs if you like them!! lol
















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[rabbitsmoker]

My opinion and from what i hear from others you have a field trial dog and you have a rabbit dog a field trial dog needs to know all the tricks a judge needs to see to win a competition If the dog needs to throw xtra barks to score a check do it Had a trial man tell me one time he wanted a fast chop mouth dog that get it all over him in the check but didnt care if he didnt bark at all until the next check lol

[grace kennels]

had a dog that never quit barking in the check he championed out at a early age had a fast chop bark i never championed him when i found out what he was doing i knew he wasnt staying here .he wasnt my kind of dog i was actually in a cast semi fial against him a couple of years ago when the other guy owned him i guess thats how he beat my old gun dog he wouldnt hunt and when a dog opened he was in its face and he wouldnt even put his nose down he proably fooled alot of judges

[briarhopper]

Is extra bark a fault that is passed on genetically? Or is it in the training?

[rabbitsmoker]

Extra bark goes both ways sometimes its in ther breeding and sometimes they pick it up when being trained in certain situations But they dont have to have xtra mouth when running in poor conditions good nose + brains to use that nose =having a level headed hound that knows when the rabbit can be moved I have one that will honor a dog that has xtra mouth in the check once or twice after that she just looks at them like ther stupid Having a big nose is just a excuse because when ther in the check barking and not even on the track thats pure babblin and if ther smellin the track and barkin but cant move the track for 5-10 min they got nose but no brains They just need to knw when to bark and when to shut-up when tracking not good mine work the track and dont make a whimper until they knw they can blow out with and when they bark you cant count to 5 at anytime before they are on the move

[THALL]

I don't like extra mouth, but I hate a tight mouth dog. I will send a dog to the truck for leaving the check with the rabbit and not barking, or leaving barking like they have the rabbit, only to shut up about 20-30 yards out. I can tolerate a little "pop" or two in the check because it will not kill your race. A perfect dog never barks without the rabbit and barks everytime it has the rabbit, but I've never seen a perfect dog.

[bucks better beagles]

Thall said: "I've never seen a perfect dog."

Hay, you have been looking in the wrong place. Just look on the "beagles for sale" forum. Seems to be many of them on there.

[rabbitsmoker]

Went running with a guy 2 winters ago that said he had a perfect dog ran with this dog alot of of times he told me to watch her and wath her close and give him my honest opinion Lord and Behold me and another watched and went over this hound with a fine tooth comb and we didnt see a hole one in this dog I know ther is a hole somewhere in them all but i really think there are some and i have owned some i have never been mad at and never seen them do anything wrong Iguess it all depends on what level of Perfect your looking at Now dont think i think ther are perfect dogs i knw better than that but there are some that you hunt for years and never catch them doing nothing wrong what you guys think about that