Extra mouth in the Check ?

[toldyouso]

here we go mo beagler. first get thicker skin second yea if you think mouthy dog means good dog you are not much of a houndsmen if thats the way u took it. mouthy is a fault big fault in my eyes thats just me. But that one fault can ruin a whole day of hunting or truely trick a judge in a field trial that does not know the dogs true traits until 10 to 15 minutes in and has already been scored. believe i have seen it myself and have been tricked but i have 45 minutes to fix my mistake and i do just that. Keep your my closed they call it a check area because a rabbit chase has ended. and being that dogs are pack animals thay are only going to do what they r born to do so if a dog will not shut up how is he suppose to work a check area if he continues to be drawn in to the mouthy dog. MY opinion but i believe that a true houndsmen may understand what i am saying. Maybe u understand not looking for a fight but u seem to always twist just about anything. u can not be a houndsman if u do not recginize a fault and this sir is a fault. u can be a trialer but not a houndsman. i had a guy tell me give him mouth anyday of the week because he knew his chances were better to trick a judge then beat a better dog because there were more judges to trick then good judges to figure it out that makes him a trialer not a houndsman but at least he recogized it as a fault. has nothing to do with the style of dog u feed.

[mcardery2k]

I would like to think my dog had enough independence to not follow the mouthy dog all over the place. I want my dogs running the rabbit and not the other dog. If he is just following that dog around I would want him picked up. His job is to find the check not worry about the other dog.
Mark~

[Mo. Beagler 5000]

here we go mo beagler. first get thicker skin second yea if you think mouthy dog means good dog you are not much of a houndsmen if thats the way u took it. mouthy is a fault big fault in my eyes thats just me. But that one fault can ruin a whole day of hunting or truely trick a judge in a field trial that does not know the dogs true traits until 10 to 15 minutes in and has already been scored. believe i have seen it myself and have been tricked but i have 45 minutes to fix my mistake and i do just that. Keep your my closed they call it a check area because a rabbit chase has ended. and being that dogs are pack animals thay are only going to do what they r born to do so if a dog will not shut up how is he suppose to work a check area if he continues to be drawn in to the mouthy dog. MY opinion but i believe that a true houndsmen may understand what i am saying. Maybe u understand not looking for a fight but u seem to always twist just about anything. u can not be a houndsman if u do not recginize a fault and this sir is a fault. u can be a trialer but not a houndsman. i had a guy tell me give him mouth anyday of the week because he knew his chances were better to trick a judge then beat a better dog because there were more judges to trick then good judges to figure it out that makes him a trialer not a houndsman but at least he recogized it as a fault. has nothing to do with the style of dog u feed.

To me a person is houndsman if he owns hounds and uses them to pursue game....pretty simple, i have pretty thick skin but to say someone ain't a houndsman because you don't like what they are running is silly.. I don't particular like a mouthy dog in the check area but if he jumps a rabbit where no other dog could and gets the chase started and has a huge nose, I'll take that trade-off.. Lots of people run dogs that have serious faults but it don't make them un-houndsman.....

[augerhead]

This topic will never be agreed on by everybody, people like dif. things in a dog.But what kills me is when some hunters keep saying that mouthy some how = real good nose or can run a real good rabbit!!!! No-no mouthy means mouthy-foolish, I'm not saying you might not have a mouthy dog that can really pound a rabbit or have a super nose , but he doesn't have to be mouthy.I've owned ALOT of dogs in my life some foolish some honest. But I would surely prefer a good honest dog over a good mouthy dog. I guess it comes down to what you can tolerate. Being mouthy to me is a FAULT just like lake of hunt. Some people I have run with really can't tell the differance, If their dog is barking they are happy, they think its doing the work, I don't agree at all it's just foolish. Oh by they way most competitive dogs will be hindered by a mouthy dog, if they are way above average, not for long, they will not honor the mouthy one until they are sure it has the track. JMO

[Househounds]

I have a tight mouth and a loose mouth dog. The tight mouth seems to know when the loose mouth is just goofin off and will not always honor him. I think its pretty funny how he can tell when his brother is being stupid

[Lee Cockman]

I am not trying to offend anyone. But a mouthy dog has got to jump a rabbit evetually if he barks enough. But there is a difference in a man that knows dogs and a man that owns dogs. Just because you own dogs doesnt mean you have ever owned a good dog or even seen a good dog. To eaches on feed what you like. The dogs have to please one person the one that is feeding them. Personally I have zero tolerance for a dog with extra mouth in anyway. A dog with a big nose is not the same as a mouthy dog. This is a agrument that will never be agreed upon as a hole. But even with a big nose the dog is not still poping off after early morning. Mid day if he is still poping off it is a mouthy dog. That is in my opinon and no one will change that. Most guys dont get off the tail gate to see what a dog is doing. If you want to no how good or bad a dog is go see. Don't judge how good he is from the tailgate go run behind for about 8 hours.

Bottom line is as long you are happy feeding a your dogs that is all that matters!!!!

[bucks better beagles]

Augerhead: I agree completely, to somehow equate "big nose" with "check barking" is ridiculous. I don't know as I even know what a "big nose" is but I do know what a good rabbit dog is and I know that excessive "check barking" is a big fault. "Big nose" is an excuse for poor behavior. If a dog can run a rabbit consistently, compete at a high level and do so in all conditions, it is a good dog. Of course, it needs a good nose and brains but one shouldn't use those as excuses for poor performance. ie: foolish and excessive barking in and around the check area.

[toldyouso]

Question mo beagle just because u have a toolbox does this make u a mechinic if u have a book r u a teacher if u own a ballglove does that mean your a good ball player. NO NO NO AND NO stupid.

[Mo. Beagler 5000]

Nope--- but if i fix cars and stand in front of a group of kids and they learn something from what i say or do then yes i am acting as a mechanic and a teacher...

If i have a HOUND and use it to PURSUE game then i am a houndsman.....

It doesn't matter if you like my work or the quality of car work or teaching, its still being done therefor i would be considered both...

If i have a bowling ball it don't make a bowler but if i go to the lanes and throw it down the isle then it makes me a bowler even if i suck at it...

i never said anyone was a good or bad houndsman, just that even if they own a mouthy dog it still makes them a houndsman.. you cant pick out one fault in another mans dog and say he is no houndsman for it because i could some to your kennel find some stupid fault and do the same thing to you... its silly and uncessary name calling and degrading you are taking part in my friend

S.T.U.P.I.D.

[toldyouso]

talking to you is like talking to the wall so i will end conversation on this note my FRIEND. If u hang out with stupid u become stupid so i will now exit from conversation. Would not want to catch what u have LOL

[mcardery2k]

I have learned so much from this post. I have found that my dogs are dumb because the cold trail and pop off in the check. I have learned that "big nose" with "check barking" is ridiculous.
"Big nose" is an excuse for poor behavior. I have learned not to set on the tailgate and listen to mys dogs. I have learned if my dogs bark all the time they will come up with the rabbit. I have learned that hounds that have extra mouth is due to lack of brains. I have learned that dogs have check free runs because they never stop barking. I have learned mouthy dogs ruin chases. I have learned that most judges don't recognize when a dog is just barking and not running the line. I have learned that guys have big nose dogs that don't cold trail and only open when the rabbit has moved
Myself I have never seen a huge nose dog that did not cold trail.
It sure sounds like I have a kennel full of worthless dogs.
I hope you guys understand that this is just all in fun. I know my dogs are faulty with their mouth but i can live with it because I know they are going to adjust to most any conditions and run the rabbit. I used to run clean dogs that did not have the big nose. I did not get the extra mouth but I was always make excuses whey we could not run on many of the days we were hunting.
I have one dog in my kennel who does not cold trail. He just has a average nose.
As long as my dogs show me they can do this I am going to tolerate some extra mouth.
Very Inexperienced houndsman.
Mark~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NbYFMnbKOQ

[Mo. Beagler 5000]

That was an awesome post!! the tailgate one was especially funny

and you Mark are a fine houndsman!!


I better not write to much before I make people become stupid....

[jimb1069]

Its funny to hear that the caliber of dogs a man owns determines whether he is a houndsman or not. I must be a dumb as the rest. All this time I thought wanting to spend more time running , raising and learning about hounds more than anything had me on the right path to my full degree of Houndsman. Im so disappointed in myself, all this time I should I should have been buying the flavor of the month, bashing anyone who didnt run what I like, always running my mouth on every topic that comes up, and totally ignoring the 2 ears one mouth rule. BUT im just that kinda guy, I dont understand the credit these same so called Houndsman claim with their Superior hounds when we are all just basically taking the kids out to play.

What I really love is when all the bashing is done then they try to smooth it over with "feed what you like"...lol thats funny right there!

[bucks better beagles]

I think where some of us get in trouble is semantics. "Big Nose", "houndsman", "stupid" things like that mean different things to different people. Let's take "houndsman". To me, just owning a beagle does not make you a houndsman. In my youth, the Master of Hounds at the local fox club was a "houndsman". That was his job. All he did. Now, I still consider a houndsman a person who has only one interest and that is running dogs and trying to get the best out there. Up front, I am old. I consider myself a houndsman from the old school. I am boring to a fault because this is all I do. I eat, sleep and talk dogs. Many of my friends have a dog or two. They hunt them now and then when the weather is nice or deer season is over or they have nothing else to do. They may have an interest in dogs but they are not houndsmen.

"Cold nose" to me is an excuse for not running rabbits. If a so called cold nosed dog gets on a food trail, barks all over and some how jumps a rabbit, that is good to some people. If a non-cold nosed dog gets on the same food trail, never says a word until the rabbit is up and running...what is he? To me, he is a rabbit dog without over mouth.

"Stupid" is a word never worthy of using. It implies a knowledge of someone else's mind and brain that is impossible to have. Judge not!

[bluemouse]

Now, I still consider a houndsman a person who has only one interest and that is running dogs and trying to get the best out there. Up front, I am old. I consider myself a houndsman from the old school. I am boring to a fault because this is all I do. BBB wrote, darn it must be great to be retired, I would think a houndsman would be someone who understands dogs enough to determine what qauilties it takes a hound to be more than a potlicker. A houndsman would have knowledge enough to keep dogs properly fed, able to keep up with health issuses, how to train a dog to get the best out of them. Also have the personal respect to keep a hound in clean living conditions and proper housing for the seasonal comfort. Maybe be able to select dogs good enough to see results from offspring. BBB I am not putting anything you said down but believe it takes more than running 24/7 to be a houndsmen.