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You have must have never seen strong med. speed dogs with ability, run a rabbit. Our dogs in our next of the woods are nothing like that as a matter of fact Ive never seen anything like that other than culls that know one in there right mind keeps. What you are describing is dogs that walk all the time no matter what. That is NOT what a true strong med. speed line control pack or dog does. Our pack with my running buddies dogs have caught rabbits before by puttin steady pressure on the rabbit. They are never 10 min behind they are usually on a few mins. behind because of running the track and not just searching for track where they over ran the thing by a half a football field. Mouthy, ...Well a true hound has a honest mouth and is not barking out of place. Thats any hound any format. Just sayingDINGUS MAN
This is an old video. This female was ten months old at the time. She is now 5. This is what I consider a strong 7 on speed. If you go back and watch other videos of her running on other clips, especially on the RR tracks she looks a little bit slower because of the lack of scent the gravel holds. She runs with good foot but still close. She is usually never more then 10-15 seconds behind the rabbit in the video....DH
deerhost wrote:You have must have never seen strong med. speed dogs with ability, run a rabbit.
You're right, I must not know what I'm talking about. I've problably never tried other breeds or run anywhere than my own back yard. I've problably just got into beagling and don't know the difference well enough to talk about it. I've confused "medium" speed with peanut rollers. I must have never seen an in-line blackjack, "dingus" bred hound, shorts pro, line controller, or any such hound run. Heck, I just picked up the first dog that would swing a "football" field away and based my kennel off of it.
I love how dogs that don't stay "tight in the check area" automatically means that it swings 100 yards out because they're so stupid. I guess I better keep quiet and get some learnin'.
That video did show a very nice young hound in my unlearned opinion. BUT, it's hard to tell everything about a hound with an edited video.
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deerhost wrote:Also the statment about a close dog creating just as many checks as a swinging dog?? I just have to scratch my head
What he was referring to was that picking up the check sometimes is better done by leaving the check area, sometimes by staying close. I don't think he inferred anything about what caused the check.
Hookset, No insult intended. Didn't mean any disrespect I just thought you were confused on what I was talking about as far as styles. Speed and closeness on the line and in the check is relative to which part of the country you live in. Some folks from other regions may look at my dogs and think they are swinging and too fast and others may think they are too slow. Just trying to clarify what type dog I was talking about. Hell, you may know more about beagling then the rest of us. I appreciate the conversation and dialog. Good beagling to you my frind.....deerhost
We may have been talking different dogs. The female you had in your video was NOT the type of hound I was speaking of. Also, the "swinging" type of dogs you were talking about is not the same as I consider them either. Throwing a blanket clause over either type of hound doesn't do anyone any good.
And no, I don't know as much about beagling as I should, but enough to discuss a topic.
Same here hookset. No insult intended. Just alot of folks havent seen what Im talking about and Im not the best to explain this either. Run em hard and have fun thats what it's all about anyway.
i like close check work & what i mean is look for the rabbit 10 yards away first. i like my dogs to search farther than this when they dont find the rabbit close to point of loss. ive had & seen swingers go the opposite way of rabbit let out a yip & now the whole pack is30 yards away in wrong direction. my dogs get excited running rabbits & make mistakes like cause checks & bark when there is no rabbit. i can live with this but not a dog that drags pack away from rabbit. i would love to have a really fast dog but they are just to rough for my liking.
bucks better beagles wrote:Speed kills. Always has and always will. If a dog swings, gets it and can run it when he gets it, that checker will always be playing back-up. I hate back-up singers and back-packers.
my sentiments exactly unless youre the lead dog the view never changes just say no to butt sniffers and inside out check dogs playing catch up
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Deerhost: "A dog can be close on the line and close in the check and still have speed enough to lead the pack"
Couldn't be more true but it takes a special dog to do that. I call it the 10% factor. That is 10% of the dogs are doing 90% of the running. Then there is the 2% that do what you described. I think we all look for the 2% but, and this is a big but, you must have owned a 2% er to ever know what one is. SWEET
The way I see it, If a dog has to swing, skirt and reach to stay in the front of the pack he is not worth keeping. Heck any dog can lead the pack that way. If you like a fast dog thats fairly clean, there are breeders out there breeding for that type dog. look at Green Bay Kennels, very successfull. Joe is breeding for a fast clean dog. Here in NY at some of the SPO trials I attend, Perry Piacentino Adirondack Mountain Beagles runs some pretty fast dogs, and the ones I've run againted were clean and pretty close for the speed. Gary Slick in PA has some slower and some faster dogs. I've watched some of his faster dogs run and they had plenty of speed but were close and clean on the check. You can go on and on about breeders that breed for that type of dog. But first I guess you have to get over the notion that for a dog to run the front he has to be a skirter, swinger and reacher.....
bucks better beagles wrote:Speed kills. Always has and always will. If a dog swings, gets it and can run it when he gets it, that checker will always be playing back-up. I hate back-up singers and back-packers.
my sentiments exactly unless youre the lead dog the view never changes just say no to butt sniffers and inside out check dogs playing catch up
