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bob huffman
I would like to read the original post. If there is cheating going on it should be dealt with in a swift and decisive manner. I grew up in the sport of harness racing and cheaters are not tolerated no matter what. it is what makes it a sport and not just a business. I know some methods to deal with the good old boy system. In sport you do the right thing because it is the right thing to do. PERIOD!
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JMc
I know where you are come from.
I have felt the similar the pain. Stay true to yourself and your family.
John McKnight
John McKnight
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YGD ( BUNNY BUSTER)
TRIALS
I SAW THE POST & I LEARNED 2 THINGS FROM IT.
1. I DON'T THINK I WANT TO TRIAL.
2. THERE ARE STILL A FEW HONEST MEN AROUND.
WSRANDY, YOU DID THE RIGHT THING,I DON'T THINK A
MAN SHOULD ALLOW HIMSELF TO BE CHEATED & NOT
VOICE HIS OPINION, IF YOU ARE WRONG, MEL SHOULD
EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED. I WOULD LIKE TO THINK I
WOULD HAVE HANDLED IT AS YOU DID, BUT I DOUBT IT.
NOTHING IS WORST THAN BEING CHEATED WHEN YOU
KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. YOU GOT MY RESPECT.
BUNNYBUSTER
1. I DON'T THINK I WANT TO TRIAL.
2. THERE ARE STILL A FEW HONEST MEN AROUND.
WSRANDY, YOU DID THE RIGHT THING,I DON'T THINK A
MAN SHOULD ALLOW HIMSELF TO BE CHEATED & NOT
VOICE HIS OPINION, IF YOU ARE WRONG, MEL SHOULD
EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED. I WOULD LIKE TO THINK I
WOULD HAVE HANDLED IT AS YOU DID, BUT I DOUBT IT.
NOTHING IS WORST THAN BEING CHEATED WHEN YOU
KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. YOU GOT MY RESPECT.
BUNNYBUSTER
Put it back Randy, I was out on the road racing and even heard about it, but I didnt get to read it, I heard you told the truth and got punished for it, and I would like to read what you had to say.
I think that things could get turned around if eveyone sticks together, or things could come to an end.
Guys I can tell you right now Randy isnt a cheat or a liar, I'd say if Randy told you water wasnt wet you better feel of it.
Wish they was more like you out there in beagling ( trialing) Randy.
I think that things could get turned around if eveyone sticks together, or things could come to an end.
Guys I can tell you right now Randy isnt a cheat or a liar, I'd say if Randy told you water wasnt wet you better feel of it.
Wish they was more like you out there in beagling ( trialing) Randy.
Trent
No one plans to Fail, they fail to Plan
No one plans to Fail, they fail to Plan
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NOT READY TO SAY YET
I READ THE FIRST POST AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A VERY GOOD POST! SOMETIMES THE TRUTH HURTS. I KNOW ITS GONE NOW BUT I THINK RANDY SHOULD TRY TO REMEMBER WHAT HE TYPED AND REPOST IT AGAIN. I THINK NKC, THE WATCHDOG COMMITEE AND THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS MADE A MISTAKE THEY NEED TO PAY DEARLY FOR!
I THINK EVERYONE WHO RUNS IN THE NKC AND CERTAINLY THE PP DIVISION NEEDS TO KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT HOW THESE PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO TREAT THE PEOPLE THAT PUT THE FOOD ON NKC'S TABLE .
IM SURE THAT ONE NIGHT WILL NOT BE ENOUGH TO GET ALL THE QUESTIONS ASKED AND ANSWERED AND TO HEAR OF ALL THE BS THAT IS HAPPENING BEHIND THE SCENE BUT I THINK WE SHOULD GET STARTED!
THERE WILL BE A CHAT SUNDAY NIGHT STARTING AT 9 PM EASTERN TIME. YOU CAN SIGN UNDER ANY NAME YOU WISH IF YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR IDENTITY UNKNOWN.
SEE EVERYONE SUNDAY NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!
I THINK EVERYONE WHO RUNS IN THE NKC AND CERTAINLY THE PP DIVISION NEEDS TO KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT HOW THESE PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO TREAT THE PEOPLE THAT PUT THE FOOD ON NKC'S TABLE .
IM SURE THAT ONE NIGHT WILL NOT BE ENOUGH TO GET ALL THE QUESTIONS ASKED AND ANSWERED AND TO HEAR OF ALL THE BS THAT IS HAPPENING BEHIND THE SCENE BUT I THINK WE SHOULD GET STARTED!
THERE WILL BE A CHAT SUNDAY NIGHT STARTING AT 9 PM EASTERN TIME. YOU CAN SIGN UNDER ANY NAME YOU WISH IF YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR IDENTITY UNKNOWN.
SEE EVERYONE SUNDAY NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jeremy Bently
Randy's post
Always make a backup!
In the interest of truth:
Randy wrote:
Give me Life!
Hello All! Just wanted to see what you all thought of this. I have ran in the ARHA PP for the last 4-5 years, this year I kind of pushed myself away from the table early in the year because of some unethical things happening at a club in the town where I live, and people from out of state saying our club cheated them. So I just stopped going.
Well, to make a long story short, the club President requested a club meeting to discuss problems with the club Secretary, whom is also the highest ranking PP Executive Board member, this executive board member and club secretary was offended that someone would suspect him of cheating and refused to have a meeting at the club. He blocked the meeting at every attempt........and it never happened. All the club wanted was rotating MOH for home hunts.
The people who originally said he cheated backed away from it and said they never said it. They just didnt want to get the same thing we got. The left here and went back to Kansas and left us all to fight the war. One executive board member resigned the day before the meeting to keep from getting involved. The man who was accused of cheating is the cowardly creature who got to hear our case and ban me.
Well last week the President of ARHA, executive board and watchdogs got involved and asked us all to come to their meeting. They put us on trial for saying the head of PP manipulated the rules and then sent us emails yesterday banning us for 3 years and threatening lifetime ban if we talk about it. Thats right, 3 year ban for being in a club and speaking AGAINST the Chairman. I am talking about it because I think its wrong. One executive board member resigned the day before the meeting to keep from getting involved. The man who was accused of cheating is the man who got to hear the case and ban me. The PP Chairman was asked several questions that he refused to answer. Total BS, this wasnt a hearing, this was a hanging. I personally called Del Morgan before the meeting and said "If you already have made a choice, lets not have this meeting" he assured me the meeting was open and if the Chairman needed punishment that he would get it. Well folks, let me tell you something, you better just play by the rules(which change) and take your cheating or, hmmmm beating........or you'll be sitting here with me talking about your ban.
They can give me 3 lifetime bans and it wouldnt matter. I wouldnt run with them crooked, cheating, manipulating butt kissers if it was the last place on earth to run a dog!
I have lost all faith in anyone in the higher up ranks of ARHA PP ever standing on their own. They are puppets that are not leaders, they are followers! The people of PP are good people, just not a lot of backbone. To scared to speak how they feel and until they take back the PP...it aint nothing but a two bit popularity show! That executive board actually had the nerve to say "they make PP".....needless to say I disagreed, I think people who bring friends and judges and clubs made ARHA PP, not the phony baloney at the top! They have discouraged people.....telling them their dogs dont belong and are not PP dogs!
Had the people who originally accused him of cheating had stood up and said what they told us, if the executive board memeber who resigned would have spoke the trugh, and if the little men who said they would stand tall would have just stood up...things could have been different!
I can sit here today and say I never cheated no one, I never drew out the same judge for my dog all weekend, I never blocked a club meeting, I never got mad at being called a cheater, I never got jealous of the good things my friends and club memebers accomplished. I never scratched 2 different dogs in the final casts in the last 2 minutes, that had it won..because I knew my dog didn't deserve to win! I have forgotten more about being a good sport than these SOB's will ever know!
Anyhow, just wanted some of you folks knowing what really happened. I also wanted to make sure to get my 3 year ban lifted to lifetime, and I think I accomplished that!
I am gonna have a chat here soon and we can have a Q&A, LOL! If you're scared to use your own name....just borrow one! LOL
I have made some good friends who will always be around, just we wont be running any PP hunts toghether any more.
Thanks for allowing me to vent
Talk at you all later,
Randy
In the interest of truth:
Randy wrote:
Give me Life!
Hello All! Just wanted to see what you all thought of this. I have ran in the ARHA PP for the last 4-5 years, this year I kind of pushed myself away from the table early in the year because of some unethical things happening at a club in the town where I live, and people from out of state saying our club cheated them. So I just stopped going.
Well, to make a long story short, the club President requested a club meeting to discuss problems with the club Secretary, whom is also the highest ranking PP Executive Board member, this executive board member and club secretary was offended that someone would suspect him of cheating and refused to have a meeting at the club. He blocked the meeting at every attempt........and it never happened. All the club wanted was rotating MOH for home hunts.
The people who originally said he cheated backed away from it and said they never said it. They just didnt want to get the same thing we got. The left here and went back to Kansas and left us all to fight the war. One executive board member resigned the day before the meeting to keep from getting involved. The man who was accused of cheating is the cowardly creature who got to hear our case and ban me.
Well last week the President of ARHA, executive board and watchdogs got involved and asked us all to come to their meeting. They put us on trial for saying the head of PP manipulated the rules and then sent us emails yesterday banning us for 3 years and threatening lifetime ban if we talk about it. Thats right, 3 year ban for being in a club and speaking AGAINST the Chairman. I am talking about it because I think its wrong. One executive board member resigned the day before the meeting to keep from getting involved. The man who was accused of cheating is the man who got to hear the case and ban me. The PP Chairman was asked several questions that he refused to answer. Total BS, this wasnt a hearing, this was a hanging. I personally called Del Morgan before the meeting and said "If you already have made a choice, lets not have this meeting" he assured me the meeting was open and if the Chairman needed punishment that he would get it. Well folks, let me tell you something, you better just play by the rules(which change) and take your cheating or, hmmmm beating........or you'll be sitting here with me talking about your ban.
They can give me 3 lifetime bans and it wouldnt matter. I wouldnt run with them crooked, cheating, manipulating butt kissers if it was the last place on earth to run a dog!
I have lost all faith in anyone in the higher up ranks of ARHA PP ever standing on their own. They are puppets that are not leaders, they are followers! The people of PP are good people, just not a lot of backbone. To scared to speak how they feel and until they take back the PP...it aint nothing but a two bit popularity show! That executive board actually had the nerve to say "they make PP".....needless to say I disagreed, I think people who bring friends and judges and clubs made ARHA PP, not the phony baloney at the top! They have discouraged people.....telling them their dogs dont belong and are not PP dogs!
Had the people who originally accused him of cheating had stood up and said what they told us, if the executive board memeber who resigned would have spoke the trugh, and if the little men who said they would stand tall would have just stood up...things could have been different!
I can sit here today and say I never cheated no one, I never drew out the same judge for my dog all weekend, I never blocked a club meeting, I never got mad at being called a cheater, I never got jealous of the good things my friends and club memebers accomplished. I never scratched 2 different dogs in the final casts in the last 2 minutes, that had it won..because I knew my dog didn't deserve to win! I have forgotten more about being a good sport than these SOB's will ever know!
Anyhow, just wanted some of you folks knowing what really happened. I also wanted to make sure to get my 3 year ban lifted to lifetime, and I think I accomplished that!
I am gonna have a chat here soon and we can have a Q&A, LOL! If you're scared to use your own name....just borrow one! LOL
I have made some good friends who will always be around, just we wont be running any PP hunts toghether any more.
Thanks for allowing me to vent
Talk at you all later,
Randy
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MasonsBeagles
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I look forward to the chat session as I am curious as to all that is going on.
One thing that strikes me funny is that the individual being accused was the same sitting there overseeing the hearing. This being the case it is the most ridiculous "Mickey Mouse" forum Ive ever heard of. I look forward to receiving more of the facts. Because the truth of the matter is that NKC needs us more than we need NKC. There are several more organizations promoting rabbit dogs than there used to be.(UKC, PKC, AKC etc.)
I would hate to think that an organization that I enjoy to promote my hobbie would conduct themselves in this manner. If it is the truth then I say boycott hunts litter registrations for a couple of months and show them who has the real power or start a petition sent directly to Del Morgan signed by a significant amount of trialers and see if that gets his attention. Legitimate organizations that want credibility dont operate in this manner.
One thing that strikes me funny is that the individual being accused was the same sitting there overseeing the hearing. This being the case it is the most ridiculous "Mickey Mouse" forum Ive ever heard of. I look forward to receiving more of the facts. Because the truth of the matter is that NKC needs us more than we need NKC. There are several more organizations promoting rabbit dogs than there used to be.(UKC, PKC, AKC etc.)
I would hate to think that an organization that I enjoy to promote my hobbie would conduct themselves in this manner. If it is the truth then I say boycott hunts litter registrations for a couple of months and show them who has the real power or start a petition sent directly to Del Morgan signed by a significant amount of trialers and see if that gets his attention. Legitimate organizations that want credibility dont operate in this manner.
In the interest of truth:
Randy wrote:
Give me Life!
Hello All! Just wanted to see what you all thought of this. I have ran in the ARHA PP for the last 4-5 years, this year I kind of pushed myself away from the table early in the year because of some unethical things happening at a club in the town where I live, and people from out of state saying our club cheated them. So I just stopped going.
Well, to make a long story short, the club President requested a club meeting to discuss problems with the club Secretary, whom is also the highest ranking PP Executive Board member, this executive board member and club secretary was offended that someone would suspect him of cheating and refused to have a meeting at the club. He blocked the meeting at every attempt........and it never happened. All the club wanted was rotating MOH for home hunts.
The people who originally said he cheated backed away from it and said they never said it. They just didnt want to get the same thing we got. The left here and went back to Kansas and left us all to fight the war. One executive board member resigned the day before the meeting to keep from getting involved. The man who was accused of cheating is the cowardly creature who got to hear our case and ban me.
Well last week the President of ARHA, executive board and watchdogs got involved and asked us all to come to their meeting. They put us on trial for saying the head of PP manipulated the rules and then sent us emails yesterday banning us for 3 years and threatening lifetime ban if we talk about it. Thats right, 3 year ban for being in a club and speaking AGAINST the Chairman. I am talking about it because I think its wrong. One executive board member resigned the day before the meeting to keep from getting involved. The man who was accused of cheating is the man who got to hear the case and ban me. The PP Chairman was asked several questions that he refused to answer. Total BS, this wasnt a hearing, this was a hanging. I personally called Del Morgan before the meeting and said "If you already have made a choice, lets not have this meeting" he assured me the meeting was open and if the Chairman needed punishment that he would get it. Well folks, let me tell you something, you better just play by the rules(which change) and take your cheating or, hmmmm beating........or you'll be sitting here with me talking about your ban.
They can give me 3 lifetime bans and it wouldnt matter. I wouldnt run with them crooked, cheating, manipulating butt kissers if it was the last place on earth to run a dog!
I have lost all faith in anyone in the higher up ranks of ARHA PP ever standing on their own. They are puppets that are not leaders, they are followers! The people of PP are good people, just not a lot of backbone. To scared to speak how they feel and until they take back the PP...it aint nothing but a two bit popularity show! That executive board actually had the nerve to say "they make PP".....needless to say I disagreed, I think people who bring friends and judges and clubs made ARHA PP, not the phony baloney at the top! They have discouraged people.....telling them their dogs dont belong and are not PP dogs!
Had the people who originally accused him of cheating had stood up and said what they told us, if the executive board memeber who resigned would have spoke the trugh, and if the little men who said they would stand tall would have just stood up...things could have been different!
I can sit here today and say I never cheated no one, I never drew out the same judge for my dog all weekend, I never blocked a club meeting, I never got mad at being called a cheater, I never got jealous of the good things my friends and club memebers accomplished. I scratched 2 different dogs in the final casts in the last 2 minutes, that had it won..because I knew my dog didn't deserve to win! I have forgotten more about being a good sport than these SOB's will ever know!
Anyhow, just wanted some of you folks knowing what really happened. I also wanted to make sure to get my 3 year ban lifted to lifetime, and I think I accomplished that!
I am gonna have a chat here soon and we can have a Q&A, LOL! If you're scared to use your own name....just borrow one! LOL
I have made some good friends who will always be around, just we wont be running any PP hunts toghether any more.
Thanks for allowing me to vent
Talk at you all later, Randy
Randy wrote:
Give me Life!
Hello All! Just wanted to see what you all thought of this. I have ran in the ARHA PP for the last 4-5 years, this year I kind of pushed myself away from the table early in the year because of some unethical things happening at a club in the town where I live, and people from out of state saying our club cheated them. So I just stopped going.
Well, to make a long story short, the club President requested a club meeting to discuss problems with the club Secretary, whom is also the highest ranking PP Executive Board member, this executive board member and club secretary was offended that someone would suspect him of cheating and refused to have a meeting at the club. He blocked the meeting at every attempt........and it never happened. All the club wanted was rotating MOH for home hunts.
The people who originally said he cheated backed away from it and said they never said it. They just didnt want to get the same thing we got. The left here and went back to Kansas and left us all to fight the war. One executive board member resigned the day before the meeting to keep from getting involved. The man who was accused of cheating is the cowardly creature who got to hear our case and ban me.
Well last week the President of ARHA, executive board and watchdogs got involved and asked us all to come to their meeting. They put us on trial for saying the head of PP manipulated the rules and then sent us emails yesterday banning us for 3 years and threatening lifetime ban if we talk about it. Thats right, 3 year ban for being in a club and speaking AGAINST the Chairman. I am talking about it because I think its wrong. One executive board member resigned the day before the meeting to keep from getting involved. The man who was accused of cheating is the man who got to hear the case and ban me. The PP Chairman was asked several questions that he refused to answer. Total BS, this wasnt a hearing, this was a hanging. I personally called Del Morgan before the meeting and said "If you already have made a choice, lets not have this meeting" he assured me the meeting was open and if the Chairman needed punishment that he would get it. Well folks, let me tell you something, you better just play by the rules(which change) and take your cheating or, hmmmm beating........or you'll be sitting here with me talking about your ban.
They can give me 3 lifetime bans and it wouldnt matter. I wouldnt run with them crooked, cheating, manipulating butt kissers if it was the last place on earth to run a dog!
I have lost all faith in anyone in the higher up ranks of ARHA PP ever standing on their own. They are puppets that are not leaders, they are followers! The people of PP are good people, just not a lot of backbone. To scared to speak how they feel and until they take back the PP...it aint nothing but a two bit popularity show! That executive board actually had the nerve to say "they make PP".....needless to say I disagreed, I think people who bring friends and judges and clubs made ARHA PP, not the phony baloney at the top! They have discouraged people.....telling them their dogs dont belong and are not PP dogs!
Had the people who originally accused him of cheating had stood up and said what they told us, if the executive board memeber who resigned would have spoke the trugh, and if the little men who said they would stand tall would have just stood up...things could have been different!
I can sit here today and say I never cheated no one, I never drew out the same judge for my dog all weekend, I never blocked a club meeting, I never got mad at being called a cheater, I never got jealous of the good things my friends and club memebers accomplished. I scratched 2 different dogs in the final casts in the last 2 minutes, that had it won..because I knew my dog didn't deserve to win! I have forgotten more about being a good sport than these SOB's will ever know!
Anyhow, just wanted some of you folks knowing what really happened. I also wanted to make sure to get my 3 year ban lifted to lifetime, and I think I accomplished that!
I am gonna have a chat here soon and we can have a Q&A, LOL! If you're scared to use your own name....just borrow one! LOL
I have made some good friends who will always be around, just we wont be running any PP hunts toghether any more.
Thanks for allowing me to vent
Talk at you all later, Randy
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CHAD_PLUNKETT
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The thing that strikes me so odd is why they told you to not tell anyone and if you did you would be banned for life. Is it just my thinking or DID THEY JUST TELL ON THERESELVES BY WANTING TO KEEP THIS THING QUITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Randy you did the right thing Buddy.
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Who all was banned or barred, or put on probation?
If the story is true I am hearing, I think it needs to be sent to every club, to be read at everyone's next club meeting.
I think NKC would get the message that the clubs werent going to put up with this decision if they recieved several phone calls of hunt cancellations.
If the story is true I am hearing, I think it needs to be sent to every club, to be read at everyone's next club meeting.
I think NKC would get the message that the clubs werent going to put up with this decision if they recieved several phone calls of hunt cancellations.
Trent
No one plans to Fail, they fail to Plan
No one plans to Fail, they fail to Plan
I was thinking about doing some PP hunts in the not so distant future, but I will be boycotting them. I guess I will give UKC a try instead. My hounds are already registered there anyway. 
Emery
Emery
Be ye kind one unto another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you. Ephesians 4:32
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liquidcooled
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