no more oversized dogs

[Mo. Beagler 5000]

chop-- I keep coming back to the fact it probably doesnt but neither does being a pit bull or a cat for that matter but we don't let them enter... A beagle is a dog that is supposed to be 15 or under.... either change the standard or don't let it compete...

heck the coon hound guys have diffrent trials for different colored coonhounds but they still perform the same.. ehy not run them together?

[Aaron Bartlett]

since you do not run little pack why put your two cents in the conversation

Because I can....Thats why! I didnt see anywhere on here that said only folks that run LP can comment.....or did I miss it???? I pretty much say what is on my mind reguardless of who likes it or not and I call a spade a spade so if you dont like it my best advice is to get over it or find a new place to play. As for meeting face to face someday all I have to say is im sure the pleasure will be all yours but rest assured im not afraid to say the same things to your face as I do on here.

[RunninHard]

Im glad I am a meat guy and not a trail guy ..

[mybeagles]

Im glad I am a meat guy and not a trail guy

Ive been to several trials to judge, observe, or enter a dog and I've never seen all this jabber. Guys feel secure behind a computer, but would likely not get this aggressive in person. The ones that do get removed or ignored.

With few exceptions when I attend a trial I have a good time and that includes Michigan Large Pack Hare, Midwest, Progressive Pack, and UKC Hunting beagle.

I think most of the bickering on here is what guys might want to say at the trials, but don't have the guts to say.......

That being said, some of the things that get said on beagle boards need to be said and lead to some resolution. Some of the things that get said should be ignored or never have been said....to include some of mine

Mybeagles

[S.R.Patch]

chop-- I keep coming back to the fact it probably doesnt but neither does being a pit bull or a cat for that matter but we don't let them enter... A beagle is a dog that is supposed to be 15 or under.... either change the standard or don't let it compete...

heck the coon hound guys have diffrent trials for different colored coonhounds but they still perform the same.. ehy not run them together?

This seems odd to me, as when I brought over the English beagles to be AKC registered, there was no request or requirement that an official measurement be taken before the hounds were registered...
Maybe they recognize the official 16" inch standard of the English to be a beagle here also... or just maybe, the standard is merely a guideline to go by and all this measuring bunk is just for the exhibitor of the fancy.

To me, a beagle is measured in pounds(of heart), not fractions of inches...

The old book says, to first get your pack established with sterling quality, then, the smaller the package can be made and "still show good sport", the better...

[reddog1]

chop-- I keep coming back to the fact it probably doesnt but neither does being a pit bull or a cat for that matter but we don't let them enter... A beagle is a dog that is supposed to be 15 or under.... either change the standard or don't let it compete...

heck the coon hound guys have diffrent trials for different colored coonhounds but they still perform the same.. ehy not run them together?

This seems odd to me, as when I brought over the English beagles to be AKC registered, there was no request or requirement that an official measurement be taken before the hounds were registered...
Maybe they recognize the official 16" inch standard of the English to be a beagle here also... or just maybe, the standard is merely a guideline to go by and all this measuring bunk is just for the exhibitor of the fancy.

To me, a beagle is measured in pounds(of heart), not fractions of inches...

The old book says, to first get your pack established with sterling quality, then, the smaller the package can be made and "still show good sport", the better...

[Dunbar Family Kennel]

I got a let's give all dogs a half inch lead way because we all know that not every body is going to measure the same way. There is no way a half inch is going to make a dog any better. I have another let's run too classes 13 inch and under males and females run as one cast and th15 inch males and females run as one class. That way the pony's can run togather and the horses can run togather

[mybeagles]

I got a let's give all dogs a half inch lead way

I got a better idea, lets just follow the rules.......

Mybeagles

[SUNRISE10]

No hounds measured at world hunt .My question was there any over 15'' that ran.If any ran the system now in place isn't working and needs to be changed..

[JCM]

No hounds measured at world hunt .My question was there any over 15'' that ran.If any ran the system now in place isn't working and needs to be changed..

To me, this isn't about whether or not to change the rule. This is about changing a rule with NO input. A system for rule changes was set up a long time ago. The Executive Board talks about everyone else not following the rules, but then they don't follow the rules when it comes to rule changes.

The E Board talked about what a problem measuring and dogs over 15" is and how people are not following the rules. It takes a lot of nerve to say this when they don't follow the rules about making changes to the rules themselves.

[SUNRISE10]

I don't think the E Board is going to change a rule.The 15''rule has been on the book from the start.Some people by not calling a dog out at the stake have changed that rule.What the E Board is going to do is see that the 15'' rule is [ENFORCED]I hope.Could change my mind when I see what they come up with. [KEEP IT SIMPLE PLEASE].
Thanks Ron

[toldyouso]

arron i think you are fibbing I would want you to say what ever you want to my face that works for me. So when should we meet i just want to make sure you can take what you dish out. I dont think so but maybe i doubt it but who knows. Like Jim said its not about going by the rule its about everyone including the elected officials. They only change stuff when they seem it to be fit to change and that sir is not how it use to be. But you Arron would not know this because you were not there now was you.

[golden acres]

Frank agree organization was better under Everett. But no, not all rules were voted on. Rules like what measuring stands to use is Bull Sh#t. Some of these clubs up here are struggling and there come up with a rule to change what stand we are to use. They go by Akc 15" rule, but they do not go by AKC measuring stand requirements which does not allow serrated edge. I myself have no problem with measuring before the hunt, would have voted yes on it myself, but would have liked to vote on it. The biggest problem is not holding vote. But Frank calling people out on a computer is not going to fix it.

[toldyouso]

Yes i agree with you i am not trying to call anyone out . I am trying to make a point about a bigger issue then the mesurerment of a dog. And no one seems to get it except Jim. I just believe that the organization has taken the power away from the clubs and these are the organization. For instance whats the point in being the president of a club if you have no say. Didnt use to be that way and it should not be that way now. Look you talk to brian passmore paul prevot jeff kissenger adam hughes even mike kalber will tell you that things are not as good as it once was and you know why that is theres one person trying the run the whole thing with no concerns of the members. I REALLY do not care about the mesurering rule i just dont like the way they went about it. I think it was sneaky and very uncalled for and for want a few cry babies. If they would just go back to where the membership vote on your excutive members then no complaints here because the membership had spoken. Very few people know why these positions went to appointted positions. Ask tony upton paul prevot they know. And i just get upset when someone wants to get on here like a hardass and wants to stir the pot sort of speak and has no idea what the big picture is. Thats all. But you know what any conversation is better then no conversation even from arron bunnyblaster rose mo and everyone else. Thats how things get fixed and things get better not always but i do believe this kind of discussion can be good if people stayed serious about it and had as much passion as i have about the hounds. Its like i told my friend jeff hayes who is completely out of beagles now since this past world. Never will i get rid of my hounds if trials ended today its a way of life i would not want to live without.

[Mo. Beagler 5000]

For instance whats the point in being the president of a club if you have no say.

how about.....

liking hounds and wanting to meet new people and compete in something you feel strongly about. seeing how good your dogs are, getting new ideas, setting an example for other beaglers etc...

I am a teacher and I do all kinds of stuff in my classroom I don't agree with everyday that I get no say in but i love teaching kids and at the end of the day I get a say in the big things but sometimes I just have to say here it is and ill deal with it... if you really dont like it you could choose to leave and start your own format or something. from the comment it seems more like your the one on with the power kick not the organization.. its already they want enforced that was already voted on sometime back when the organization started..