Deer breaking does this work.

[littlewoody]

DEER BREAKING METHODS
The Chase Magazine
July, 1977
Page Twenty Six

From Trenton, Tn: I would like for you to put this deer breaking
method in the Chase. This is one of the most simple and inexpensive
methods of all. Some are selling deer breaking methods, but not
enough foxhunters will buy them as they are afraid it is just a gimmick,
but this one is free. However, just buying the deer scent and pepper
won't do the job. You have to use it. I, personally think we are going
to have to pass a rule to scratch any andall hounds for running deer,
then hunters will stop taking deer dogs to fox hunt field trials and try to
break all their foxhounds from running deer. This breaking method
has been tried andit works and I'm proud to let all my foxhunting
friends know about it. L. Jack Criswell

Take a four oz. bottle of deer scent. I don't think it will make any
difference whether its breaking scent or trail scent, just be sure the
scent is strong.
Put a heaping tablespoon full of powdered red pepper in it. Be sure the
pepper is fresh and hot. Pepper left setting around a long period of
time loses some of its strength.
Shake the mixture until well mixed. Take a small container with a long
spout (an ear syringe is good), squirt the mixture well up in both sides
of the hound's nose (the further up you can get it the better). Repeat
in a week to ten days. Then occasionally put just a few drops in the
palm of your hand and rub on hound's nose and lips just as a reminder
as you load to go hunting.

[bluemouse]

Sounds kinda cruel to me, I would never do it to one of my hounds. Maybe who ever came up with this should use the solution to clean his bowels and see if he stops taking a dump!!!

[Fleetwood]

Seems pretty cruel to me too. Might as well just spray the dog in the face with pepper spray. I'll stick with the e-collar.

[rabbitsmoker]

I dont think its any crueler than shocking the pee at of one or beating one with a dog chain like i have seen done .Never heard of the pepper thing but if it works prob worth a try However all my mine broke right now

[hogbody]

Sounds like another old wife's tale like putting a dog in a barrell with deer scent and rolling it down a hill. I see this article was written in 1977. Probably not too many e-collars around back then. I don't understand why anyone would try this kind of thing when e-collars are so accessable and effective. If you can afford a dog (s), feed, vet bills, truck, dog box, kennels, dog houses, leads, collars, bowls, bedding etc. etc. What's $400 for a good e-collar in the whole scope of things?

[FORDWRENCH]

your joking right? why on earth would you want to f up your dogs nose? if they dont have enough brains to stay off the deer once broke they should be competing anyway. lots of guys use dogs for deer . they can live at their house. i bet thats a great magazine?? haha

[RunninHard]

I will stick to a collar , If I ever seen someone do this to a dog I would punch them in the face...seriously

[Lee Cockman]

Sounds like a idiot to me!

[Bunnyblaster]

I dont think its any crueler than shocking the pee at of one or beating one with a dog chain like i have seen done .Never heard of the pepper thing but if it works prob worth a try However all my mine broke right now

IMO yes it is. Have you ever had pepper up your nose? Now take a huge amount of it and squirt it waaaaay up your nose......and increase your sense of smell a million times over before you do it too. Shocking a dog has never shown to have any ill and lasting physical affect on a dog, just the immediate reaction to the pain at the time. This one is comparing apples to oranges. Whether it works or not makes no difference to me, I can't see doing it that way.

And rabbitsmoker, I'm not trying to jump all over you. Just using your post to look at it from the other side which happens to be the side I'm on.

[10ACbeagles]

Sounds like another old wife's tale like putting a dog in a barrell with deer scent and rolling it down a hill.

I use to work with a guy who did this to his coonhounds to break them off deer and he swore by it. Anyone ever tried it?? I just cant picture puttin my dogs in a barrell and doin it

[hounddog]

Sounds like another old wife's tale like putting a dog in a barrell with deer scent and rolling it down a hill.

I use to work with a guy who did this to his coonhounds to break them off deer and he swore by it. Anyone ever tried it?? I just cant picture puttin my dogs in a barrell and doin it

I've never done it myself but have seen it done and the dog would run a deer just as well the next day. The only thing I saw was you could never get that dog in another barrel.
True story!

hounddog
Jim Umbarger

[rabbitsmoker]

I wouldnt do it myself but if it doesnt have any affects to the dog after its over no still no different hangin electric around thier neck i have seen shocking collars cause them to have seizures proven fact but i will stick to the collar system i owned a dog once that would have one every time she was shocked thats not good eaither

[wireman252]

The best way I've broke a hound off deer , was to use good ole' Tri-Tronics and set him up intentionally. You see a deer in your yard , or out hunting in the field and see if he takes it. Soon as he tries , let him have it. A couple times like this and I could drop him in the middle of a hay field full of them , and he would run right through all the scent just to get to the woods to hunt.Two times is all it took with this hound.

[Bunnyblaster]

All I know is with today's technology as long as someone is "able" to afford ecollars then I don't know why anyone would choose not to use them........especially for breaking dogs from running deer.

I had a dog once that loved to run deer. Before I bit the bullet and bought a set of ecollars I used the deer scent on a leather scent pad attached to his collar. I religiously applied the scent as instructed on the bottle. To my surprise the next time out he did fine........and the next time too.........and the next time after that. Then on the fourth trip, without the scent pad because I assumed he was broke, the rabbits were scarce and the running sucked so guess what he did guys??? That's right, he took a deer right in front of me and off he went with me chasing after him hollering and screaming the whole way!!! So what did he learn from that?? He learned that since I can't stop him then why not and take a little whippin later which makes no sense to do at that point either other than to make myself fell better......maybe. With that particular hound I figured out if I kept the scent around his neck then he wouldn't run em....by scent. He'd still take up a sight chase in a heartbeat though. To me that's not a broke dog, that's a hunt wrecker........a disaster just waiting to happen. If I'd had shock collars at the time he may have learned his lesson and he may not have either. All I know is I sure wouldn't have been chasing him all over the county instead of running rabbits like we set out to do. He'd have been stopped long before he got a chance to get out of hearing like he did.

My point is this, just because ecollars make it easier to train/break a dog that doesn't make them bad or the lazy or the rich man's way, it just makes them efficient at what they were meant for which is a good thing.

Also, my uncle has told me stories about a guy that used to hang deer hide on wire that he would plug into a regulation outlet. The dogs get close enough to get a good sniff and they get the pee shocked out of em. I was an electrician for quite a while and I know for a fact that ain't good on the old ticker. But it's cheap and it can work so should we keep doing that too??? I've never used the pepper thing but I'd be willing to bet it can't be good on their nose. Permanent damage I guess I don't know about it but I like I said I sure would do it.

And rabbitsmoker, I've never seen anything that says shock collars can cause seizures?? Where did you read and/or see that? Not questioning you, just curious.

[wvforester]

E collar, I don't want my dog associating the negative with me. Let him think the deer is getting him. I seen guys use switches, run them down, put scent on them and all that happens is the dog learns not to run them when your close enough to catch them and punish them. I'd rather have them not want to run trash at all because trash bites them. My dad used tarsal glands on a mouse trap years ago. Once they got snapped he put them on a San Juan or trapped cottontail so they weren't scared to go back in the brush for the deer. I love my e collar.