Beagles Without Papers

[mtthwvn73]

Hello everyone I've got a question...

My Father in law has some pretty good dogs. They can run a rabbit really good and are great hunting dogs. The only problem is that most of them aren't registered dogs. I think that papered dogs are the way to go, but why is it that you can't even give the dogs away when they aren't papered? Like I said, they can run a rabbit and can hunt really good, but nobody will even give them a second glance when they find out they aren't papered. Why is that?

Second...There are a couple of the dogs that have a single papered parent, like the father is registered but the mother isn't...is there any way to get these dogs registered?

Thanks everyone for the advice and input ahead of time.

Matt

[allniter]

UKC--YOU CAN REG. THEM

[mtthwvn73]

Thanks for the reply allniter

Yeah, I've heard that you can still register the dogs in UKC, but what about AKC, is there any way that I can get them registered through them? I have a couple that are AKC, and he does too, but the other ones have no papers at all.

How do you get a dog UKC registered?

matt

[mybeagles]

For AKC the only way you can get a dog registered is to provide proof that both parents were AKC registered. If they were not, than you cant.

For UKC or AHRA, you can bring them to a local hunt. The breed inspector will look them over, take a picture, you complete the application, and give them the $20 or $25. As long as your dogs look like beagles you should be fine. You will get the papers in the mail in a couple weeks.

IMO there are a couple reasons people will not purchase your non AKC registered dogs.....

1. If they raise puppies or try to sell broke dogs in the future, they wont bring as big of price.
2. The guys involved in AKC trials cant compete if the dogs are not registered.

I think its mainly a money thing, but AKC seems to be the most reputable as far as determining a dogs lineage. Athough there is dishonest in AKC, DNA testing is starting to reduce some of that.

With the other registries, a dog that looks like a beagle can be registered. There is no proof of dogs lineage, its whatever you list on the application.

Hope this helps, Im sure someone will be irate over this post and jump to the defense of one of the registries.......

Mybeagles

[DJC]

AKC will register unregistered beagles if you can prove they are purebred and they eventually go back to registered dogs. I'm not sure on the particulars, I know there is a fee of course and they "research it somehow. A few years ago they started and some UKC guys got some of there dogs registered AKC that previously weren't.

AKC paperwork is suppose to prove the dog is purebred and also verifies the dogs genetic makeup which is important when line breeding. Field trials are very popular today and you gotta have the paperwork to compete. Assuming most people are reasonably honest with an AKC registered dog you can look at the pedigree and get an idea how the dog may perform based on his ancestory.

UKC is an open registery, if it looks like a beagle it is a beagle. And for $18 they will give you a paperwork that says its a beagle no matter what information you are aware of or un aware of.

[RunninHard]

Papers bring more money, Nothing wrong with a grade dog

[mtthwvn73]

Thanks for the replies everyone. He's picked up a couple nice registered males and I've got a pretty good blooded female that were planning on having some pups with. What do you all think that good running beagles without papers are worth? A starting pen up the road charges 50 bucks just to get a pup started on rabbits, so if they're hunting and jumping they're own rabbit... surely they're worth more than that...right?

Matt

[rabbitsmoker]

Around here in this part of the country most everyone look at the performance of the dog not the papers i myself perfer a Reg dog but by no means am not going to a good grade dog i have one now if a grade meets a hunters guidelines there no need being paper stuck IMO The most money i have every seen a dog bring was grade There is no telling how lines out there that somewhere a dog got papers slid in on them jmo

[goodpickens]

I've always wondered how many grade dogs, if DNAed would go back to a solid AKC lineage.

[RunninHard]

Thanks for the replies everyone. He's picked up a couple nice registered males and I've got a pretty good blooded female that were planning on having some pups with. What do you all think that good running beagles without papers are worth? A starting pen up the road charges 50 bucks just to get a pup started on rabbits, so if they're hunting and jumping they're own rabbit... surely they're worth more than that...right?

Matt

I would pay just as much for a grade as I would for a papered dog, I have had papered dogs in the past and couldn't tell you what their blood/back ground was (I look at the dog)
Are any of these Grade dogs for sale ? Any Reds ? Ever ran on snow ?

[RunninHard]

I've always wondered how many grade dogs, if DNAed would go back to a solid AKC lineage.

I bet more then most would like to know

[DJC]

The way the economy is I dont think you will get more then $100 out of a grade dog no matter what the ability level. In a lot of areas people can get grade puppies for $50 or free. Versus an AKC registered puppy for $200 and up.

[RunninHard]

Thats if you buy a puppy, He said these dogs are jumping and running rabbits, I would pay over $200 for a grade dog that can run and jump its own rabbit and do it right

And I sure wouldn't pay $200 + for a pup papers or not, Unless of course he/she can run and jump a rabbit

[DJC]

"The way the economy is I dont think you will get more then $100 out of a grade dog no matter what the ability level."

People are giving away average dogs that can run a rabbit with AKC papers. People are selling AKC reg. adult dogs that can run a rabbit for $200. If I were to own a grade dog I couldn't justify paying very much for a good adult dog when I could get a puppy that may be "special" for free or close to it, or paying more for an adult grade hound then for an adult reg. hound. In most areas in local newspapers AKC Reg. beagle puppies are $200-$250 even without a FC pedigree and most people if they advertise AKC Reg. puppies in a newspaper they run out of puppies before they do people who want to buy them.

[Newt]

I don't believe I have had an avid rabbit hunter ask me if the dog was registered when he came to look at it prior to buying. Many don't even bother to register the pup after they buy it.
If the economy doesn't pick up soon, I suspect those papers will be worth a lot less and those grade dogs will be worth more. Three hundred for a pup and fifty dollars for ten gallons of gas is a thought provoking combination.